[SurroundSound] Cmd window Noob

Hi there. I have a sacd iso file and I want to extract individual dsf
files from it. I'm using sacd extract. Now I'm a bit of a cmd window
noob. I'm typing the following-

sacd_extract -2 –s –c –I"filename.iso"

I get this error message-

sacd_extract.exe: invalid option -- s

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

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{allcanada} TORONTO FC CONTINUES REVIVAL UNDER MARINER, DRAW RED BULLS

 

TORONTO -- After months as the league's doormat, Toronto FC is finally picking itself up off the MLS floor.

Danny Koevermans extended his torrid scoring run and Toronto FC (2-10-3) continued its revival under Paul Mariner with a 1-1 tie with the high-flying New York Red Bulls (9-4-4) on Saturday night.

New York's vaunted strikeforce of Thierry Henry and Kenny Cooper, who have 20 of New York's 32 goals this season, was kept off the scoresheet and the Red Bulls managed just one shot on target. Cooper did hit the post.

"It's not beautiful flowing football but we're a little harder to beat than we have been in the past," said a happy Mariner. "If you become a hard team to beat in this league, and you stay in the game with the likes of Ryan (Johnson) and Danny and Torsten (Frings) with his service, you might be able to nick something."

Toronto is 1-1-3 under Mariner, who succeeded Aron Winter as head coach. His record could have been even better had the team not given up two-goal leads against Houston and New England, settling for a tie in both cases.

The record is all the more impressive considering Mariner's five games have come in just two weeks.

"Those boys are working for this club, they are working very hard," said the English coach, who was particularly happy with his young back four.

Both goals came in the first six minutes of a wide-open game that was long on entertainment. Toronto FC did not look like a team that has 22 points less that the visitors and had the better chances as the clock wound down.

"They're a more direct team, I would say, compared to what Aron Winter wanted to do," said Henry. "Tight now, they're doing extremely well ... We knew it wasn't going to be an easy task here and it wasn't.

"They want to show Paul Mariner right now that they deserve to be in the squad," he added. "And the way they play, it wasn't an easy game to play. Johnson, Koevermans had great games and not only them. It was a great unit, difficult to find some space at times to break them down.

"But overall I think 1-1 was a fair result."

There was plenty of action in the opening 10 minutes with Toronto falling victim to an early goal that was all too easy on a 31 C night before 20,071 at BMO Field.

Jan Gunnar Solli tapped in a cross from Brandon Barklage on the right in the fourth minute after the Red Bulls strikers moved to the ball to the flank from the centre. The Norwegian midfielder got behind the heart of the Toronto defence, with goalie Milos Kocic at his mercy.

But Koevermans, with his seventh goal in seven games and fifth in his last four, tied it two minutes later when he rose unmarked to head in a Torsten Frings corner.

Reggie Lambe broke in on goal minutes later when a deflection fell his way. He outraced the New York defence and beat the onrushing goalie but defenders Wilman Conde and Heath Pearce managed to clear the ball before it crossed the line.

After the game, Mariner applauded Lambe for not going down and looking for the penalty. At the same time, he noted Lambe's youth, as if to say a more experienced player would have used the contact to more effect.

Cooper almost put the Red Bulls ahead in the 44th but his shot, off a play almost a mirror image of the first goal, hit the goalpost. Koevermans came close seconds later poking a dangerous Frings free kick just wide.

Henry shot just wide early in the second half, capping a move he himself had triggered.

The Ashtone Morgan to Koevermans connection, so effective in recent games, almost paid off again in the 53rd minute but the big Dutch striker couldn't get a boot on the cross.

Many of the fans came to see Henry and the New York captain did his best to stir the Red Bulls pot.

Henry's influence was considerable. He took all the New York free kicks in the Toronto end and, in the 32nd minute, showed a deft touch when he controlled a high ball with his boot only to be hacked to the ground by an unimpressed Terry Dunfield.

As the game wore on, he dropped back into the midfield to play provider. His teammates were not always up to his vision, however.

Henry came close in the 76th when he almost put Joel Lindpere through with a terrific pass but defender Logan Emory poked the ball away at the last minute. At the other end, substitute Nick Soolsma poked a cross wide in the 84th.

Henry showed his commitment midway through the first half when, after New York lost the ball, he raced 40 yards-plus into the Toronto end in a bid to get it back.

And he demonstrated his disdain for TFC defenders, shoving Emory out of the way when they met off the ball.

The French star scored a world-class goal at BMO Field last season, giving New York a 1-1 tie with one minute remaining.

Toronto captain Frings was equally influential Saturday, taking set pieces and patrolling the midfield.

The two coaches were a total contrast on the sidelines. Mariner paced in front of his bench like a caged animal, gesticulating and yelling instructions or barking at the officials. New York's Hans Backe was glued to his seat -- an oasis of calm, as if relaxing on his porch rather than the edge of the pitch -- rising only occasionally to get a better look.

Holding midfielder Dax McCarty was a key man for New York, stepping in to bolster the defence as needed and launching attacks from the back.

Fullback Jeremy Hall started for Toronto, recovered from the boot and ball to the face during a 3-0 win midweek in Montreal. Lambe came in for midfielder Julian de Guzman, who came on as a second-half substitute after stomach problems, in the only change to the starting 11.

Defender Doneil Henry did not dress because of an allergic reaction. Mexican international Rafa Marquez (thigh) sat out for New York.

Off the pitch, Toronto says it is entertaining loan offers for Ecuador winger Joao Plata.

Earl Cochrane, the team's director of team and player operations, says loaning out the five-foot-two, 135-pound speedster will give the 20-year-old playing time while perhaps helping open the roster for another player.

Plata, currently sidelined with a hamstring injury, later told a reporter he was leaving the club Monday.

Cochrane said there was nothing to report on veteran Italian defender Alessandro Nesta other than he was a player whom they had discussed internally. Earlier in the week, Mariner called Nesta "one of our targets."

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Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

On Jun 30, 2012 4:57 PM, "scolumbo" <sacolumbo@gmail.com> wrote:

That's great. It's not often you get audio fidelity improvement for under $5. :-)

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:54:30 AM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes it was your post I was referring to.  I have found just having the TV off (not removing cables and the like) gives the same results:  the PCM light quietly goes off, the track begins again, and a blanket is removed from btw me and the music.  It didn't sound bad to begin with but I wasn't expecting the details I'd not been hearing as well.  Anyway I'm psyched as my AVR turns it into pcm covertly while pretending to do DSD.  This is apparently the first time I've heard pure DSD (Instead of whatever it is doing in the HDMI cable).  Amazing!  I just bought some cheapie RCA cables for the time being for MC.  Still sounds awesome.  Total cost: 4.50.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 2:36 AM, flytomars <flytomars@gmail.com> wrote:

Forgot to add that my TV is connected direct to the oppo via HDMI-

I have no idea what happens if you connect the HDMI to a receiver that does not support DSD,

Since it will be very difficult to manually disconnect the HDMI cable each time you listen to SACD, or the other hand, try to listen with the receiver turned off :P

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:32:44 PM UTC+3, flytomars wrote:

I am the guy who had the original problem, and like scolumbo said above me - the problem was the HD handshake with the TV.

To check that you are getting pure DSD, since you dont have the on-screen display-

Start an SACD when the TV is off.

On the right side of the front panel you should see some info-

SACD MCH etc (if you dont see- press the remote "i - display" and it will show for a second).

Now open the TV - SACD play stops (due to the handshake).

Press play again - now you will see in the same place where the info was displayed, PCM also is written.

If you turn off the TV now, the PCM will stay- unless you restart again (weird bug).

Regarding cables - I bought the Altona cables in eBay, I thought they were specifically made for SACD but in reality it is just several cables bunched together in a net... still sounds good enough for me.

On the other hand I am one of those that could do with the coat hanger, so not the one to ask :)

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:29:02 AM UTC+3, scolumbo wrote:

I guess you saw my post in the other thread about outputting DSD direct to analog using the Oppo's analog outs. Evidently, if the Oppo makes a connection with another HDMI device during the HDMI handshake that is not DSD-capable, it will convert to PCM first. Shutting off those HDMI devices or making another connection with the device other than HDMI, will preserve the DSD to analog.

While I still prefer using my AVR's room correction and bass management for MCH, including SACDs, I like DSD to analog for stereo SACDs. I use my AVR's Pure Direct mode to bypass all digital processing.

I've also begun using headphones more recently, and room correction isn't so important when you remove the room.  ;-) 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:31:38 PM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little group.  Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD amp thru the analog ports.  However, when I tried it several times the Oppo would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.  Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV is on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp.  If you turn the TV off, you get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver acts as just an amp.  TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM.  I had no idea.  I realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them.  But DSD does tend to sound much better to my ears.  It's almost like a blanket is there between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song starts again.  Anyone have an explanation for this?  I'd always outputted DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD (though it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.  I felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior sound.  I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo using analog cables.  Am I the first retard to finally have figured this out after owning it for a year!?!!??!  So far I have only tried this with stereo sources from shm sacds.  Thinking there is no downside to outputting the whole shebang over analog including MC material.  Thoughts?  Aside from pure direct mode are there any other suggestions for making sure nothing is getting mucked up in the signal chain?  As someone who rarely felt a need for analog cables in the past are there any cheapish cables that anyone might recommend--or a good coathanger?  lol...that was a joke.

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{allcanada} WARNERS FINISH ONE-TWO IN 100 METRES AT PRE-OLYMPIC MEET

 

CALGARY - Justyn and Ian Warner grew up chasing each other up and down the cul-de-sac in front of their Toronto home.

The brothers chased each other to the finish line on Friday in a race they hope will take both of them to the London Olympics.

Older brother Justyn captured gold in the 100 metres to cement his spot on Canada's Olympic team at the track and field trials at Foothills Athletics Park, while Ian claimed silver to make a strong argument for his inclusion on the squad as well.

The 25-year-old Justyn raced to a career-best 10.15 seconds, dipping under the Olympic A standard of 10.18, while Ian crossed in a personal best 10.20.

"Warner Bros. Production, that's what they call us. Too bad it's copywrited," Justyn said laughing.

"But that's what we do, that's we have fun with."It couldn't be better, it couldn't come at a better time for the two of us to be going to London. I just can't wait."

The 22-year-old Ian is a strong candidate for Canada's 4x100-metre relay team. Canada's track and field squad will be announced Sunday morning.

"It was just a giant blur, all I remember was getting to the line, I could see my brother and no-one else was in front of me," Ian said. "I was happy the two Warners got one and two, that's obviously a dream come true to be able to go to the Olympics with my brother.

"Words can't even express how cool that is, to be able to say you're going to your first Olympics with your brother."

Oluseyi Smith of Ottawa won the bronze with 10.22.

Earlier in the day, Phylicia George of Markham, Ont., won the women's 100 in 11.30, clinching her spot on the Canadian team.

George could also make the squad in the 100-metre hurdles, which is slated for Saturday afternoon.

Hilary Stellingwerff of Sarnia, Ont., and Nicole Sifuentes of Winnipeg secured their London spots in the women's 1,500 metres, while Nate Brannen cemented his spot in the men's 1,500.

Liz Gleadle clinched her berth in the women's javelin.

The Warners grew up focused mainly on football &mdash; both were running backs. Justyn was recruited to Texas Christian University for football but quickly switched to track. Ian eventually switched to track as well, and runs for Iowa State University.

"My little bro, I know he's coming for me," Justyn said laughing. "He feeds off of me and I feed off of him, and he looks up to me and I look up to him, we're close brothers. He's got a lot of talent, he hasn't beaten me yet but I know he's gunning for me, and one day it will come.

"I'll be happy for him, I'm happy for him every race he runs."

Ian couldn't have envisioned a day, he said, until this season when he would be racing right on his older brother's heels &mdash; "he's always been so much faster than me."

Friday he was perfectly fine to take second place."Because there's nobody I would rather lose to than my brother, I'm completely happy with the way everything went down," he said.

"I'm gonna get him one day. But it's not today, and I'm fine with that.

One day. Not this day.

"If he is named to the relay squad for London, Ian hopes he and Justyn can be roommates in the athletes village.

"Definitely. He's the person I trust the most. It's the coolest thing," Ian said.

Mom Debbie Warner squeezed into the jam-packed grandstand at Foothills Athletics Park to watch her boys run &mdash; Ian was in Lane 3, Justyn in 6.

"This is the first time I've ever watched the two of them race each other when I actually saw them both. Usually I focus on one or the other and the race finishes and I think, what happened with the other one," Debbie said. "I don't get nervous until they're in the blocks.

"And I knew they could do it, I just knew."

Justyn will be the one on edge Saturday when his fiance Nikkita Holder attempts to claim a spot on the Olympic squad in the 100-metre hurdles. But it won't be easy in a jam-packed field in which six women have the qualifying standard, including Olympic bronze medallist Priscilla Lopes-Schliep.

"I'm more nervous for that race than I was for my own. I'll be out here nervous as heck, shaking," Justyn said.

"We don't talk about it, we just kind of leave it, don't even mention it, and when the time comes, it comes."

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{allcanada} RAY MAKES ARGOS DEBUT AGAINST JYLES, ESKIMOS ON TSN

 

EDMONTON - Ricky Ray isn't counting on any love from Edmonton Eskimo fans when he leads his new team, the Toronto Argonauts, against his old teammates Saturday.

Catch all the action on TSN and TSN Mobile TV at 7pm et/4pm pt. 

"I'm expecting boos," Ray said after arriving at Commonwealth Stadium on Friday prior to his team's CFL season-opening matchup.

"I've just travelled enough around the CFL, going to Regina, Hamilton and some of those places, (like) Winnipeg, and you get haggled pretty good, so I'm just expecting it to be the same."

Ray played for nine years in the Green and Gold, winning two Grey Cups and racking up more than 40,000 yards in passing before getting traded to Toronto last December.

The 32-year-old said if hears boos, he's OK with it.

"The fans here don't owe me anything," he said.

"I owe so much to (the fans) for the support they've given me throughout my career here.

"I'm a visitor coming into their stadium and I expect the worst."

Ray admitted it will be strange to walk into the visitor locker-room and not the Eskimo room on game day, but said it's good to get it over with.

"It's nice to play this game early and kind of put it to bed," he said.

"It feels different from a regular regular-season game. There's extra media and different emotions that you're going through."

Ray was traded by Eskimo general manager Eric Tillman to the Argonauts for quarterback Steven Jyles, kicker Grant Shaw, and a draft pick.

Eskimo fans writing, blogging and phoning sports call-in shows have been generally critical, saying Edmonton gave away too much for Jyles, a quarterback with fast legs and a strong arm but one who has been a backup for much of his six-year CFL career.

Ray said he was shocked at the trade, but said he's made his peace with it.

"You feel like (the Eskimos) didn't believe in you anymore," he said.

"You just wish you could have been the guy they thought could get them to the Grey Cup again. Definitely it hurts you a little bit, but it's part of the business."

Meanwhile, when Edmonton Eskimos quarterback Steven Jyles sits by himself in his dressing room cubicle, the memory of Ricky Ray is over his head — literally.

Above the bench and hooks is a plate with Jyles' name and number. Above that is a tiny plaque that reads "Ricky Ray 2002-2011." It reminds players that this is where the team's career passing leader sat before being dealt to the Toronto Argonauts for Jyles in a package deal last December.

Saturday's game will be the culmination of six years of hard work and broken dreams for Jyles, the 29-year-old from Baton Rouge, La.. For six years he has stood on the sidelines with a clipboard and hit the field only when someone else got hurt or played poorly.

When the Eskimos traded for him, it was a signal that Edmonton general manager Eric Tillman believed Jyles was ready for prime time. It was Steven's turn, his moment in the sun.

But as Jyles stood this week in front of Ray's old locker, almost every media question that came at him was about someone else. Yes, he said, he's replacing a legend.

"Ricky Ray's a great guy. A future Hall of Famer in my eyes," said Jyles.

No, he won't by overwhelmed by the grandeur of Ricky's Return.

"It's just another ball game for us."

His voice was emotionless, his mood that of a dental patient — polite but determined to get it over with.

Jyles is no stranger to skepticism but it reached new heights following the trade that brought him back to the Alberta capital.

He played with Edmonton for two seasons when he began his CFL career in 2006, and couldn't get off the sidelines. Jyles was dismissed as all arm, no football sense.

Since then, he has shone in spot duty with Saskatchewan, Winnipeg, and Toronto, known for his fast feet, a cannon arm and game-breaking potential.

Eskimos receiver Greg Carr, who also played with Jyles in Winnipeg, said they see Jyles taking those hits and get inspired.

Carr said Jyles' speed gives the Eskimos the extra offensive dimension they need. It's one that wasn't there with Ray.

Jyles can change the game with his feet or improvise a new play out of a broken one, said Carr.

"With him no play is dead."

Eskimos linebacker T.J. Hill said that against Jyles, defensive linemen must diligently honour the gaps or risk him breaking free for big yardage. Linebackers walk a fine line, he said.

Over-commit and Jyles runs past you. Drop off too deep and he torches you with the underneath throws.

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{allcanada} Report: Leafs waive Armstrong, intend to buy out deal

 

The Toronto Maple Leafs have placed Colby Armstrong on waivers with the intention of buying out the final year of his contract, according to multiple reports.

If Armstrong, who would be heading into the final season of a three-year, $9 million contract, does clear waivers and is bought out, the deal will cost the Maple Leafs $1 million in cap space for 2012-13 and 2013-14.

Armstrong had one goal and three points for the Leafs this past season, but also only played 29 games (and only 50 in 2010-11) because of injuries. He had 22 goals and 15 goals in his last two full seasons, both with the Atlanta Thrashers.

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{allcanada} ARCA: Hessert Tops Ranger in Final New Jersey Practice

 

(MILLVILLE, N.J. - June 30, 2012) - Tom Hessert flexed his muscle on his home track, leading the final practice at New Jersey Motorsports Park's Thunderbolt Raceway with a late lap of 1:22.232 to top Andrew Ranger.

Ranger (No. 53 RRT Design & Construction Dodge) had finished atop each of five practice, qualifying, and race sessions to open his ARCA Racing Series presented by Menards road racing career. Last season, he led both practices and won the Menards Pole Award presented by Ansell one day before earning a win in his ARCA debut at New Jersey. After leading the first practice this afternoon and holding the lead for much of the second, Ranger appeared well on his way to repeating that feat.

Hessert (No. 52 Federated Auto Parts Chevrolet), however, edged Ranger by 0.02 second. His average speed of 98.502 mph is the top for the day, just ahead of Ranger's 98.478-mph effort. Hessert is from Cherry Hill, N.J., a short drive from New Jersey Motorsports Park.

"(Crew chief) Donnie (Richeson) kept adjusting the car through the first practice and again through the second practice and I am really pleased with the way the car is performing right now," Hessert said. "We qualify in a couple hours, so hopefully we'll be able to back up the time and put our car on the pole. One thing is for sure: We definitely have a short at winning the race tomorrow afternoon."

Chad Hackenbracht was third in the final session, just ahead of Alex Bowman and Will Kimmel. Nelson Canache, Chris Buescher, Steve Minghenelli, Brandon Davis, and Chase Elliott filled out the top 10.

Nine-time ARCA champion Frank Kimmel was 14th and points leader Brennan Poole finished 17th.

Menards Pole Qualifying presented by Ansell will begin at 5:30 p.m., with live timing and scoring coverage available at ARCARacing.com. Groups are formed by practice speeds, with the top five drivers going first, the second five following, and so on until all entered drivers are slotted into a qualifying group.

ARCARacing.com will post the full qualifying order shortly.

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{allcanada} ARCA: Andrew Ranger Leads First Practice at New Jersey

 

(MILLVILLE, N.J. - June 30, 2012) - Picking up where he left off last spring at New Jersey Motorsports Park, Andrew Ranger led the opening practice for the ARCA Racing Series presented by Menards at the park's Thunderbolt Raceway.

Ranger (No. 53 RRT Design & Construction Dodge), last season's race and Menards Pole Award winner at New Jersey, drove nearly three quarters of a second faster than any other driver, completing his best of five laps on the 2.25-mile course in one minute, 23.02 seconds (97.567 mph).

Brandon Davis of Roulo Brothers Racing drove the No. 99 Ford to second on the chart in 1:23.766. Alex Bowman, New Jersey native Tom Hessert, and Chris Buescher completed the top five.

Chad Hackenbracht, Kevin Swindell, Robert Mitten, Nelson Canache, and Frank Kimmel rounded out the top 10. Points leader Brennan Poole finished the session 12th.

Sixteen-year-old Chase Elliott, making his first stock car laps on a road course, finished the first practice session 15th. He made 23 laps in all, more than any of the 32 drivers who participated.

Mason Mingus was involved in an incident, which resulted in a full-course caution early in the session.

"I hate it," said Mingus, who charted 24th. "I overdrove the car going into the corner and when I went to downshift, the brakes locked up and I was just then along for the ride at that point. I'm really sorry to everyone on the Win-Tron Racing crew for what happened. We really needed the practice time. It looks like we'll be able to get the car fixed; it just stinks to lose all of that valuable track time. Hopefully, I can make it up to them later today and then tomorrow during the race."

Shawn Umphries, making his first laps in the ARCA Racing Series to prepare for his series debut, finished the session 25th. Umphries, a drag racer, is also the at-track representative for Mallory Ignition, an official ARCA company.

The second practice session at New Jersey Motorsports Park will start at 2:40 p.m. and last for one hour, with live timing and scoring coverage at ARCARacing.com.

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Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

That's great. It's not often you get audio fidelity improvement for under $5. :-)

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:54:30 AM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes it was your post I was referring to.  I have found just having the TV off (not removing cables and the like) gives the same results:  the PCM light quietly goes off, the track begins again, and a blanket is removed from btw me and the music.  It didn't sound bad to begin with but I wasn't expecting the details I'd not been hearing as well.  Anyway I'm psyched as my AVR turns it into pcm covertly while pretending to do DSD.  This is apparently the first time I've heard pure DSD (Instead of whatever it is doing in the HDMI cable).  Amazing!  I just bought some cheapie RCA cables for the time being for MC.  Still sounds awesome.  Total cost: 4.50.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 2:36 AM, flytomars <flytomars@gmail.com> wrote:

Forgot to add that my TV is connected direct to the oppo via HDMI-

I have no idea what happens if you connect the HDMI to a receiver that does not support DSD,

Since it will be very difficult to manually disconnect the HDMI cable each time you listen to SACD, or the other hand, try to listen with the receiver turned off :P

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:32:44 PM UTC+3, flytomars wrote:

I am the guy who had the original problem, and like scolumbo said above me - the problem was the HD handshake with the TV.

To check that you are getting pure DSD, since you dont have the on-screen display-

Start an SACD when the TV is off.

On the right side of the front panel you should see some info-

SACD MCH etc (if you dont see- press the remote "i - display" and it will show for a second).

Now open the TV - SACD play stops (due to the handshake).

Press play again - now you will see in the same place where the info was displayed, PCM also is written.

If you turn off the TV now, the PCM will stay- unless you restart again (weird bug).

Regarding cables - I bought the Altona cables in eBay, I thought they were specifically made for SACD but in reality it is just several cables bunched together in a net... still sounds good enough for me.

On the other hand I am one of those that could do with the coat hanger, so not the one to ask :)

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:29:02 AM UTC+3, scolumbo wrote:

I guess you saw my post in the other thread about outputting DSD direct to analog using the Oppo's analog outs. Evidently, if the Oppo makes a connection with another HDMI device during the HDMI handshake that is not DSD-capable, it will convert to PCM first. Shutting off those HDMI devices or making another connection with the device other than HDMI, will preserve the DSD to analog.

While I still prefer using my AVR's room correction and bass management for MCH, including SACDs, I like DSD to analog for stereo SACDs. I use my AVR's Pure Direct mode to bypass all digital processing.

I've also begun using headphones more recently, and room correction isn't so important when you remove the room.  ;-) 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:31:38 PM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little group.  Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD amp thru the analog ports.  However, when I tried it several times the Oppo would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.  Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV is on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp.  If you turn the TV off, you get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver acts as just an amp.  TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM.  I had no idea.  I realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them.  But DSD does tend to sound much better to my ears.  It's almost like a blanket is there between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song starts again.  Anyone have an explanation for this?  I'd always outputted DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD (though it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.  I felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior sound.  I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo using analog cables.  Am I the first retard to finally have figured this out after owning it for a year!?!!??!  So far I have only tried this with stereo sources from shm sacds.  Thinking there is no downside to outputting the whole shebang over analog including MC material.  Thoughts?  Aside from pure direct mode are there any other suggestions for making sure nothing is getting mucked up in the signal chain?  As someone who rarely felt a need for analog cables in the past are there any cheapish cables that anyone might recommend--or a good coathanger?  lol...that was a joke.

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Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bit Rate Resolution, Sampling Rate, Upsample, and Lossless vs. Lossy ....

Additionally most cloud computing and streaming will require better ways to compact and expand large datastreams to portable as well as other hardware devices. I could predict that tradition will dictate that the methods of transmission of entertainment used in the past I.E. analog compressiion of signals, matrixing, frequency modulation, will carry over to the digital relm with those technologies using their counterpart methods lossy codecs and various data reduction methods. And afterall, the discussion we are having is most average humans can't tell the diference so as in the past why would or should anyone investigate or market an alternative or otherwise?

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:37:38 AM UTC-5, zoop wrote:

'portable devices' are still extremely popular, you know.
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lokkerman <phil.steeples@gmail.com> wrote:

>the point is this:
>Why do we need lossy today? Apart from portable devices coding such as
>FLAC should do, so why lossy?
>
>On Jun 28, 8:07 pm, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Interesting mp3 listening test results here
>>
>> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/concluding-the-great-mp3-bit...
>>
>> some discussion of them here
>>
>> NB as it relates to this thread: DTS and AC3 are different lossy codecs
>> from each other, and from LAME -- you can't assume the audio quality
>> achieved at X bitrate is the same in all.  But the general trend is that
>> the ability hear difference between original and lossy goes down as
>> bitrate goes up, and that for a given codec there is a rate threshold
>> beyond which very few untrained listeners can reliably tell the
>> difference.
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Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bit Rate Resolution, Sampling Rate, Upsample, and Lossless vs. Lossy ....

'portable devices' are still extremely popular, you know.
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lokkerman <phil.steeples@gmail.com> wrote:

>the point is this:
>Why do we need lossy today? Apart from portable devices coding such as
>FLAC should do, so why lossy?
>
>On Jun 28, 8:07 pm, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Interesting mp3 listening test results here
>>
>> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/concluding-the-great-mp3-bit...
>>
>> some discussion of them here
>>
>> NB as it relates to this thread: DTS and AC3 are different lossy codecs
>> from each other, and from LAME -- you can't assume the audio quality
>> achieved at X bitrate is the same in all.  But the general trend is that
>> the ability hear difference between original and lossy goes down as
>> bitrate goes up, and that for a given codec there is a rate threshold
>> beyond which very few untrained listeners can reliably tell the
>> difference.
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Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bit Rate Resolution, Sampling Rate, Upsample, and Lossless vs. Lossy ....

FEAR!  Truth is they don't want us anywhere near them pesky studio masters!

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:08 AM, lokkerman <phil.steeples@gmail.com> wrote:

the point is this:
Why do we need lossy today? Apart from portable devices coding such as
FLAC should do, so why lossy?

On Jun 28, 8:07 pm, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> Interesting mp3 listening test results here
>

> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/concluding-the-great-mp3-bit...

>
> some discussion of them here
>
> NB as it relates to this thread: DTS and AC3 are different lossy codecs
> from each other, and from LAME -- you can't assume the audio quality
> achieved at X bitrate is the same in all.  But the general trend is that
> the ability hear difference between original and lossy goes down as
> bitrate goes up, and that for a given codec there is a rate threshold
> beyond which very few untrained listeners can reliably tell the
> difference.

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Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

Yes it was your post I was referring to.  I have found just having the TV off (not removing cables and the like) gives the same results:  the PCM light quietly goes off, the track begins again, and a blanket is removed from btw me and the music.  It didn't sound bad to begin with but I wasn't expecting the details I'd not been hearing as well.  Anyway I'm psyched as my AVR turns it into pcm covertly while pretending to do DSD.  This is apparently the first time I've heard pure DSD (Instead of whatever it is doing in the HDMI cable).  Amazing!  I just bought some cheapie RCA cables for the time being for MC.  Still sounds awesome.  Total cost: 4.50.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 2:36 AM, flytomars <flytomars@gmail.com> wrote:

Forgot to add that my TV is connected direct to the oppo via HDMI-

I have no idea what happens if you connect the HDMI to a receiver that does not support DSD,

Since it will be very difficult to manually disconnect the HDMI cable each time you listen to SACD, or the other hand, try to listen with the receiver turned off :P

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:32:44 PM UTC+3, flytomars wrote:

I am the guy who had the original problem, and like scolumbo said above me - the problem was the HD handshake with the TV.

To check that you are getting pure DSD, since you dont have the on-screen display-

Start an SACD when the TV is off.

On the right side of the front panel you should see some info-

SACD MCH etc (if you dont see- press the remote "i - display" and it will show for a second).

Now open the TV - SACD play stops (due to the handshake).

Press play again - now you will see in the same place where the info was displayed, PCM also is written.

If you turn off the TV now, the PCM will stay- unless you restart again (weird bug).

Regarding cables - I bought the Altona cables in eBay, I thought they were specifically made for SACD but in reality it is just several cables bunched together in a net... still sounds good enough for me.

On the other hand I am one of those that could do with the coat hanger, so not the one to ask :)

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:29:02 AM UTC+3, scolumbo wrote:

I guess you saw my post in the other thread about outputting DSD direct to analog using the Oppo's analog outs. Evidently, if the Oppo makes a connection with another HDMI device during the HDMI handshake that is not DSD-capable, it will convert to PCM first. Shutting off those HDMI devices or making another connection with the device other than HDMI, will preserve the DSD to analog.

While I still prefer using my AVR's room correction and bass management for MCH, including SACDs, I like DSD to analog for stereo SACDs. I use my AVR's Pure Direct mode to bypass all digital processing.

I've also begun using headphones more recently, and room correction isn't so important when you remove the room.  ;-) 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:31:38 PM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little group.  Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD amp thru the analog ports.  However, when I tried it several times the Oppo would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.  Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV is on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp.  If you turn the TV off, you get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver acts as just an amp.  TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM.  I had no idea.  I realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them.  But DSD does tend to sound much better to my ears.  It's almost like a blanket is there between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song starts again.  Anyone have an explanation for this?  I'd always outputted DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD (though it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.  I felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior sound.  I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo using analog cables.  Am I the first retard to finally have figured this out after owning it for a year!?!!??!  So far I have only tried this with stereo sources from shm sacds.  Thinking there is no downside to outputting the whole shebang over analog including MC material.  Thoughts?  Aside from pure direct mode are there any other suggestions for making sure nothing is getting mucked up in the signal chain?  As someone who rarely felt a need for analog cables in the past are there any cheapish cables that anyone might recommend--or a good coathanger?  lol...that was a joke.

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[SurroundSound] Re: Bit Rate Resolution, Sampling Rate, Upsample, and Lossless vs. Lossy ....

the point is this:
Why do we need lossy today? Apart from portable devices coding such as
FLAC should do, so why lossy?

On Jun 28, 8:07 pm, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> Interesting mp3 listening test results here
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/concluding-the-great-mp3-bit...
>
> some discussion of them here
>
> NB as it relates to this thread: DTS and AC3 are different lossy codecs
> from each other, and from LAME -- you can't assume the audio quality
> achieved at X bitrate is the same in all.  But the general trend is that
> the ability hear difference between original and lossy goes down as
> bitrate goes up, and that for a given codec there is a rate threshold
> beyond which very few untrained listeners can reliably tell the
> difference.

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[SurroundSound] Re: Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

Forgot to add that my TV is connected direct to the oppo via HDMI-

I have no idea what happens if you connect the HDMI to a receiver that does not support DSD,

Since it will be very difficult to manually disconnect the HDMI cable each time you listen to SACD, or the other hand, try to listen with the receiver turned off :P

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:32:44 PM UTC+3, flytomars wrote:

I am the guy who had the original problem, and like scolumbo said above me - the problem was the HD handshake with the TV.

To check that you are getting pure DSD, since you dont have the on-screen display-

Start an SACD when the TV is off.

On the right side of the front panel you should see some info-

SACD MCH etc (if you dont see- press the remote "i - display" and it will show for a second).

Now open the TV - SACD play stops (due to the handshake).

Press play again - now you will see in the same place where the info was displayed, PCM also is written.

If you turn off the TV now, the PCM will stay- unless you restart again (weird bug).

Regarding cables - I bought the Altona cables in eBay, I thought they were specifically made for SACD but in reality it is just several cables bunched together in a net... still sounds good enough for me.

On the other hand I am one of those that could do with the coat hanger, so not the one to ask :)

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:29:02 AM UTC+3, scolumbo wrote:

I guess you saw my post in the other thread about outputting DSD direct to analog using the Oppo's analog outs. Evidently, if the Oppo makes a connection with another HDMI device during the HDMI handshake that is not DSD-capable, it will convert to PCM first. Shutting off those HDMI devices or making another connection with the device other than HDMI, will preserve the DSD to analog.

While I still prefer using my AVR's room correction and bass management for MCH, including SACDs, I like DSD to analog for stereo SACDs. I use my AVR's Pure Direct mode to bypass all digital processing.

I've also begun using headphones more recently, and room correction isn't so important when you remove the room.  ;-) 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:31:38 PM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little group.  Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD amp thru the analog ports.  However, when I tried it several times the Oppo would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.  Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV is on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp.  If you turn the TV off, you get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver acts as just an amp.  TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM.  I had no idea.  I realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them.  But DSD does tend to sound much better to my ears.  It's almost like a blanket is there between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song starts again.  Anyone have an explanation for this?  I'd always outputted DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD (though it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.  I felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior sound.  I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo using analog cables.  Am I the first retard to finally have figured this out after owning it for a year!?!!??!  So far I have only tried this with stereo sources from shm sacds.  Thinking there is no downside to outputting the whole shebang over analog including MC material.  Thoughts?  Aside from pure direct mode are there any other suggestions for making sure nothing is getting mucked up in the signal chain?  As someone who rarely felt a need for analog cables in the past are there any cheapish cables that anyone might recommend--or a good coathanger?  lol...that was a joke.

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[SurroundSound] Re: Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

I am the guy who had the original problem, and like scolumbo said above me - the problem was the HD handshake with the TV.

To check that you are getting pure DSD, since you dont have the on-screen display-

Start an SACD when the TV is off.

On the right side of the front panel you should see some info-

SACD MCH etc (if you dont see- press the remote "i - display" and it will show for a second).

Now open the TV - SACD play stops (due to the handshake).

Press play again - now you will see in the same place where the info was displayed, PCM also is written.

If you turn off the TV now, the PCM will stay- unless you restart again (weird bug).

Regarding cables - I bought the Altona cables in eBay, I thought they were specifically made for SACD but in reality it is just several cables bunched together in a net... still sounds good enough for me.

On the other hand I am one of those that could do with the coat hanger, so not the one to ask :)

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:29:02 AM UTC+3, scolumbo wrote:

I guess you saw my post in the other thread about outputting DSD direct to analog using the Oppo's analog outs. Evidently, if the Oppo makes a connection with another HDMI device during the HDMI handshake that is not DSD-capable, it will convert to PCM first. Shutting off those HDMI devices or making another connection with the device other than HDMI, will preserve the DSD to analog.

While I still prefer using my AVR's room correction and bass management for MCH, including SACDs, I like DSD to analog for stereo SACDs. I use my AVR's Pure Direct mode to bypass all digital processing.

I've also begun using headphones more recently, and room correction isn't so important when you remove the room.  ;-) 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:31:38 PM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little group.  Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD amp thru the analog ports.  However, when I tried it several times the Oppo would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.  Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV is on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp.  If you turn the TV off, you get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver acts as just an amp.  TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM.  I had no idea.  I realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them.  But DSD does tend to sound much better to my ears.  It's almost like a blanket is there between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song starts again.  Anyone have an explanation for this?  I'd always outputted DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD (though it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.  I felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior sound.  I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo using analog cables.  Am I the first retard to finally have figured this out after owning it for a year!?!!??!  So far I have only tried this with stereo sources from shm sacds.  Thinking there is no downside to outputting the whole shebang over analog including MC material.  Thoughts?  Aside from pure direct mode are there any other suggestions for making sure nothing is getting mucked up in the signal chain?  As someone who rarely felt a need for analog cables in the past are there any cheapish cables that anyone might recommend--or a good coathanger?  lol...that was a joke.

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{allcanada} LIONS' SIMON SETS NEW CFL RECORD FOR ALL-TIME RECEIVING YARDS

 

VANCOUVER -- Geroy Simon became the CFL's all-time receiving leader in dramatic fashion Friday night.

The star B.C. Lions slotback set the record on a 56-yard pass from Travis Lulay 4:57 into the fourth quarter.

Simon, a 36-year-old Johnstown, Pa., native was all alone as he hauled in the Lulay bomb along the sidelines and brought the ball to the Winnipeg 23-yard line.

Seconds afterwards, Simon was hugged by his 18-year-old son Gervon, who travelled from Johnstown to witness history.

Simon bettered the mark of 15,153 yards held by retired Blue Bomber great Milt Stegall, now a TV broadcaster, who was on hand for the game.

After Simon established the new record, the game was stopped briefly and he was honoured in an on-field ceremony that included commissioner Mark Cohon, Lions general manager Wally Buono and Stegall.

"Congratulations," said Buono. "I know you've got a lot more left in you, by the way."

Simon achieved the feat in the same number of seasons -- 14 -- that it took Stegall, who played from 1995-2008, to set his record.

The Lions veteran entered Friday's contest needing just 67 receiving yards to take his place in history. He continued his career-long trend of doing memorable things in games involving the Bombers.

He began his CFL career with Winnipeg in 1999. He won a Grey Cup and the league's most outstanding player award in 2006 with the Lions in the Manitoba capital.

Then the Lions beat the Bombers for the sixth Grey Cup in franchise history last November.

Approximately 20 of Simon's friends and family members were on hand at B.C. Place Stadium for the occasion.

He had three chances to set the record in the third quarter. On the first, Winnipeg's Jonathan Hefney, the CFL's most outstanding defensive player in 2011, was called for pass interference as he blocked a Lulay pass with his back.

On the other try, Simon bobbled a Lulay pass as he attempted to make a diving catch one play after the Lions had made a successful on-side kick. A few minutes later, Simon could not squeeze a Lulay pass over the middle before the ball slipped through his hands to the ground.

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{allcanada} Dragon's Den star offers $1,000 reward

 

OTTAWA - When a dragon gets mad, he gets generous.

Brett Wilson, the Canadian entrepreneur, philanthropist and lead deal making dragon on CBC's Dragon's Den, offered a $1,000 reward through Twitter after hearing that a monument dedicated to fallen Canadian soldiers was found vandalized Thursday.

"I was a little (mad) that some (people) had desecrated the memory of any of our troops, let alone someone who had died most recently in Afghanistan," said Wilson.

An inukshuk -- a marker of respect and rememberence -- was built in memory of Sgt. Marc Leger and other fallen soldiers.

Leger was killed in Afghanistan in 2002, and the monument was displayed outside his parent's home for nine years before it was donated to the Royal Canadian Legion in September.

It sat sturdy and strong outside Legion headquarters in the Ottawa suburb of Kanata until recently, when it was toppled by vandals.

When Wilson heard what had happened, he took to Twitter hoping to help resolve the issue.

Thursday night he tweeted a message and a link to the story to his more than 1,300 followers.

"Please RT if you support - I will put up $1,000 as a reward to find vandals who wrecked a soldier's memorial in Ottawa."

Wilson said he's always had respect for military men and women. He grew up in a family of veterans, and trekked to Afghanistan in 2010 to visit soldiers.

Since he tweeted his message, he said he's received an overwhelming response on Twitter with other people showing support, and even offering financial contributions to the cause.

After the long weekend, he plans to be in touch with the Legion to arrange the funds.

Still, for him it's not about the money, it's about someone stepping forward and owning up to what they have done.

"It's OK to say you've made a mistake, I made a few yesterday and I'll make a few tomorrow, but in this case being apologetic is what it's all about," he said.

Police have also asked for the public's help in sharing any information they may have that could help the investigation.

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[SurroundSound] Re: Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

I guess you saw my post in the other thread about outputting DSD direct to analog using the Oppo's analog outs. Evidently, if the Oppo makes a connection with another HDMI device during the HDMI handshake that is not DSD-capable, it will convert to PCM first. Shutting off those HDMI devices or making another connection with the device other than HDMI, will preserve the DSD to analog.

While I still prefer using my AVR's room correction and bass management for MCH, including SACDs, I like DSD to analog for stereo SACDs. I use my AVR's Pure Direct mode to bypass all digital processing.

I've also begun using headphones more recently, and room correction isn't so important when you remove the room.  ;-) 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:31:38 PM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:

I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little group.  Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD amp thru the analog ports.  However, when I tried it several times the Oppo would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.  Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV is on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp.  If you turn the TV off, you get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver acts as just an amp.  TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM.  I had no idea.  I realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them.  But DSD does tend to sound much better to my ears.  It's almost like a blanket is there between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song starts again.  Anyone have an explanation for this?  I'd always outputted DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD (though it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.  I felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior sound.  I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo using analog cables.  Am I the first retard to finally have figured this out after owning it for a year!?!!??!  So far I have only tried this with stereo sources from shm sacds.  Thinking there is no downside to outputting the whole shebang over analog including MC material.  Thoughts?  Aside from pure direct mode are there any other suggestions for making sure nothing is getting mucked up in the signal chain?  As someone who rarely felt a need for analog cables in the past are there any cheapish cables that anyone might recommend--or a good coathanger?  lol...that was a joke.

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Re: [SurroundSound] Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

Yes it detects the tv and will do PCM if it is. What I am hearing is far more sublime than the hdmi. coonect. Wow is all I can say. Total analog sound.

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On Jun 29, 2012, at 12:14 PM, "Steven Sullivan" <ssully@panix.com> wrote:

>> I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little
>> group.
>> Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD
>> amp thru the analog ports. However, when I tried it several times the
>> Oppo
>> would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.
>> Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV
>> is
>> on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp. If you turn the TV off, you
>> get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver
>> acts as just an amp. TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM. I had no idea. I
>> realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them. But DSD does
>> tend to sound much better to my ears. It's almost like a blanket is there
>> between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song
>> starts again. Anyone have an explanation for this? I'd always outputted
>> DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD
>> (though
>> it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.
>
> AFAIK in the DSD-output-capable Oppos (i.e, models after the 970HD), as
> long as you set output settings to be 'pure' (that is, no bass management
> etc), and as long as you choose the DSD layer, SACDs are converted from
> DSD directly to analog, for output from the analog (RCA) jacks. I would
> expect the same for HDMI, though for HDMI, your AVR would have to have a
> DSD DAC to decode the decrypted DSD stream.
>
> Never heard of the TV thing...the Oppo senses that there is a TV connected
> to your AVR?
>
>
>
>> I
>> felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior
>> sound. I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo
>> using analog cables. Am I the first retard to finally have figured this
>> out after owning it for a year!?!!??! So far I have only tried this with
>> stereo sources from shm sacds. Thinking there is no downside to
>> outputting
>> the whole shebang over analog including MC material. Thoughts?
>
> A truly pure DSD-analog chain means no DSP -- no bass managment, no room
> correction, no DPLII, etc. If your AVR is doing any of that after the
> fact to an analog input, it is certainly converting the analog to PCM
> first.
>
> Personally I value the audio-experience-enhancing power of DSP more than
> such 'purity'.
>
>
>
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Re: [SurroundSound] Oppo 93 and DSD over analog

> I just saw a post on the internet that was reprinted from our little
> group.
> Somehow I missed this gem as it indicated how to get DSD into a non DSD
> amp thru the analog ports. However, when I tried it several times the
> Oppo
> would indicate that it was putting out PCM over the analog and not DSD.
> Well, I read the comments I found and it seems that if your freakin' TV
> is
> on the Oppo will convert to PCM to your amp. If you turn the TV off, you
> get DSD as the oppo does the DSD to analog internally hence the receiver
> acts as just an amp. TV on, the Oppo reverts to PCM. I had no idea. I
> realize there isn't a night and day difference btw. them. But DSD does
> tend to sound much better to my ears. It's almost like a blanket is there
> between me and the music that disappears when the TV goes off and the song
> starts again. Anyone have an explanation for this? I'd always outputted
> DSD over HDMI to my AVR knowing that my AVR states it's getting DSD
> (though
> it is lying of course) but makes it PCM somewhere in there apparently.

AFAIK in the DSD-output-capable Oppos (i.e, models after the 970HD), as
long as you set output settings to be 'pure' (that is, no bass management
etc), and as long as you choose the DSD layer, SACDs are converted from
DSD directly to analog, for output from the analog (RCA) jacks. I would
expect the same for HDMI, though for HDMI, your AVR would have to have a
DSD DAC to decode the decrypted DSD stream.

Never heard of the TV thing...the Oppo senses that there is a TV connected
to your AVR?



> I
> felt that doing a PCM conversion inside the oppo resulted in inferior
> sound. I of course didn't know that I could get pure DSD from the oppo
> using analog cables. Am I the first retard to finally have figured this
> out after owning it for a year!?!!??! So far I have only tried this with
> stereo sources from shm sacds. Thinking there is no downside to
> outputting
> the whole shebang over analog including MC material. Thoughts?

A truly pure DSD-analog chain means no DSP -- no bass managment, no room
correction, no DPLII, etc. If your AVR is doing any of that after the
fact to an analog input, it is certainly converting the analog to PCM
first.

Personally I value the audio-experience-enhancing power of DSP more than
such 'purity'.



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