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Wednesday, February 1, 2012

[SurroundSound] Re: Can you tell the difference and find the original?

I'm not quite sure, my bet is PCM but definitely not DSD.

On febr. 1, 23:03, Lokkerman <phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Grill - can you let us know what the track background is please as I am
> interested only on what studio equipment was used - i.e. was this a DSD
> master or PCM  or analogue to PCM?
> BTW for those who want to hear the genuine differences on each track just
> compare section 2.20 to 2.45 on each and listen for decay, smear and
> compression. Please  - answers to that question.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > I think it's difficult to tell the differences between high bitrate
> > dts and mlp.  DTS can sound pretty good.  Where you see the big
> > dropoff is with dolby digital.  I find it a matter of listener fatigue
> > when you listen to the lower bitrate surround such as ac3, the mlp and
> > dts sound fuller and you can listen louder and longer without getting
> > tired.  Before Steven comes on and says "hogwash" well, it's what I
> > hear and what I feel.  I think a better test and easier to tell the
> > difference is comparing an ac3 and .mlp file, or a dts and ac3 file.
> > To me they're really easy to pick out, unlike the current test where
> > you need to listen for quite a while and carefully.  The problem might
> > be to have the files appear the same and play at the same volume for
> > testing fairness.
>
> > On Feb 1, 10:01 am, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> > > OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best
> > for
> > > people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's
> > answers
> > > are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't
> > > influenced by other subjects' answers.
>
> > > > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies,
> > > > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined
> > > > it iin another thread.
>
> > > > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> > > >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles,
> > between
> > > >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
>
> > > >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> > > >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening
> > time. I
> > > >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during
> > his
> > > >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
>
> > > >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> > > >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
>
> > > >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
>
> > > >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio
> > > >> >> evaluation
> > > >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link
> > below
> > > >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > > >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
>
> > > >> >> > - unaltered original MLP 5.1 24/96,
> > > >> >> > - DTS 5.1 (755 kbps),
> > > >> >> > - DTS 5.1 (1510 kbps),
> > > >> >> > - DTS 24/96 5.1 (1510 kbps).
>
> > > >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > > >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
>
> > > >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to
> > > >> >> find
> > > >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM
> > > >> me
> > > >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts
> > can
> > > >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't
> > take
> > > >> >> it
> > > >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> > > >> >> > material).
>
> > > >> >> >http://hotfile.com/list/1973773/7086aff
>
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