the Beach Boys - Pet Sounds was a Remaster using all of the available and
true discrete tracks, jus that each track was not recorded on a common tape
or for that matter recorder - in the days of 3 tracks it was quite common
(and I have done it my self ) to sync two or more reel to reels so that the
mix down is actually a 6 track (multi track) recording plus the live
overdub. This is the process on Pet sounds and nothing like preserving a 3
track mix. Different concept different result.
These Moggs are based on the same concept as we talked about last year, when
we had the who-ha about up-mixing. That was jut to remind everyone; that it
would be ideal to break a plogue out into 16 or 32 multis then rebuild as if
working from a multi master. In fact Insania actually tried it with a track
from the Move.
I am not even commenting about the quality as I've not had chance to listen;
just the concept - which I hope is now clarified.
-----Original Message-----
From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Garfunkel
Sent: 26 September 2010 22:26
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: alert Beatles mogg files on the noid
That is just short of an upmix. The Columbia jazz titles Brubeck Time Out
and Miles Davis kind of blue were 3 track masters and the sacd only had 3
tracks to preserve the true mix, but that was not the comment. I was merely
making the point that the early Beatles masters do not exist in multi track
formats and the first 4 are 2 track mono.
The rockband track are hi tech filtering of stereo and 4 track masters.
Based on the articles on the subject I don't believe they even had 4 track
master and that all mogg's were software created off material from the new
hirez Giles Martin sessions.
Either way nothing before 67 is more then 4 tracks.
Now what they came up with is nothing to sneeze at and the previous claim
that these mogg files are not good enough to re mix has obviously not
listened to these files and based their comments on the
7 disc speration box set and not the glorious files just uncovered.
"These mogg files are the best thing to ever happen to the at home re mixer"
On 9/26/10, Lokkerman <phil.steeples@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes but you can use the 4 track "bounces" to make multi tracks, an
> example of this is the Pet Sounds DVD-A, these were compiled from
> multiple sources including 3 track recordings.
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Paul Garfunkel
> <paulgarfunkel@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> 4 track is not multi track. Multi is deticated tracks to each
>> componant. 16, 24 or 32 track is what I would call multi track.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/10, Gino Vacca <ginovacca@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Not true. Everything after Sgt Pepper was record on multi track.
>> > Sgt Pepper originally was mixed down to a four track from 4 four
>> > track recordings, then mixed down to stereo from there. When
>> > Yellow submarine (the movie) was re-released, they took the 16
>> > tracks from the 4 "master tapes", and digitally synced them, thus
>> > creating a sixteen track master
>> to
>> > re-mix into stereo - or, dare I say, surround - Wait. The movie is
>> > 5.1 (listen to the cd that accompanied the re-release of the movie
>> > - it's completely different than the original).
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Paul Garfunkel
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 8:36 AM
>> > To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Re: alert Beatles mogg files on the
>> > noid
>> >
>> >
>> > No they are not actual multi tracks, since aside from abbey road
>> > more
>> then 4
>> > tracks does not excist.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Gino Vacca <ginovacca@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Sadly, these are not the actual multi track recordings, merely,
>> > Rock
>> Band
>> > 5.1 divisions. Not good for remixing, but a lot of fun to play with!
>> I've
>> > tried for some time to convince anyone that a "game" based on
>> > original
>> multi
>> > track recordings would be unbelievable. Who wouldn't enjoy messing
>> about
>> > with, say DSOTM, or the 16 tracks of Sgt. Pepper (I know the
>> > Beatles used
>> 4
>> > tracks for SP. Four of them...).
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "LennonCobain" <sgt_pepper_forever@yahoo.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:02 PM
>> > To: "SurroundSound" <surroundsound@googlegroups.com>
>> > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: alert Beatles mogg files on the noid
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would very much enjoy listening to some 5.1 "remixes" created
>> > by
>> the
>> > talented individuals who post here.
>> >
>> > On Sep 21, 9:14 pm, Paul Garfunkel <paulgarfun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > 67 tracks in all. Check it out!
>> >
>> >
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