Music: RE: [SurroundSound] HDMI-questions

If the TV is causing the output to default to stereo then presumably EDID is the culprit,.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data

This can be overridden if necessary with a device that is inserted in the signal chain between the HDMI source and the TV if no other options work.

An example of one such device is here:

http://www.cypeurope.com/store/store/app/product/XA-S11

I had to purchase one such device to enable my blu ray player to output movies in multichannel rather than just stereo sound via HDMI PCM.

Rob

From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of August Bleed
Sent: 01 April 2013 4:52 PM
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] HDMI-questions

If you have a newer TV it may have a special HDMI connection called Audio Return or some such thing. It will pass the audio directly to the AVR. It usually is a specific port and the AVR and TV must both support. That won't do anything for DSD though. Still gotta be off. Will do everything else in all channels. Read the manual and see. I kinda doubt it though. If the TV isn't equipped to pass MC signals yr kinda screwed...if it had an audio return channel I would already expect it to have dolby and mc capabilities.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:48 AM, August Bleed <bleedink@gmail.com> wrote:

It depends on your TV of course. For DSD absolutely--you have no choice. For MC you should be able to get surround still using the DVI for stuff like DVD-A. It sounds like that is what is happening unfortunately. If yr DVD-A's are coming out as 2 channel that's what's happening. Most newer TVs have MC passthrough which means it will retain the MC dolby or DTS signals or even PCM. Basically if every disc ya got goes to 2 channel that is exactly what is happening. You don't have lots of choices but maybe the component for navigation if that is the case. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. That's the easiest way to tell...everything will be 2 channel and DSD won't play.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Stephen Brandon <duke.brandonshire@gmail.com> wrote:

So having _any_ TV hooked up (to the output of course) and on at the same time will prevent it from doing multi-channel? That's kind of crazy! Especially for things like DVD-Audio discs, some of which require you to use an onscreen menu to navigate! (Not to mention that some of them have video they put up on the screen while the audio is playing. I have a Led Zeppelin one that works this way).

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM, August Bleed <bleedink@gmail.com> wrote:

I have an Oppo. You will NOT get MC or DSD over HDMI or analog if one of the HDMI/DVI things is connected and/or powered on. It is handshaking with your TV which is resulting in 2 channel PCM as that is what yr TV is capable of. Turn off the TV while the HDMI is connected to it. It's the only way you will get to hear your SACDs. If you are using a DVI connection to navigate it will do the same thing. Turn em off and you will be good to go if you have your settings correct on the AVR and the Oppo set to DSD. You can also let the Oppo do the processing and output over analog ports, the caveat being that you STILL have to have the TV/Monitoring device OFF.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Stephen Brandon <duke.brandonshire@gmail.com> wrote:

August Bleed brings up a good point, if you have anything connected to the receiver that the HDMI doesn't handshake with properly (even if your DVI monitor has HDCP it might not be talking to the receiver quite properly though the HDMI adapter you're using) it'll default to crappier settings.

Also, There were a few typo's in my response as I was writing it on my phone on the train on my way to work: here's what it should have said (nothing major but I figure it'll be slightly more understandable with fewer typos):

"Have you checked to see if your new receiver has an option called "auto" (or something like that? My Marantz, which is closely related to Denon, has this option for sound modes and it generally means you don't have to worry about changing sound modes on the receiver. Whatever signal it gets sent over HDMI (or optical, etc) it recognizes it (PCM, DSD, DTS, DD, etc) and just works properly. Worth looking into before you return it."

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, August Bleed <bleedink@gmail.com> wrote:

Could be that it is handshaking (or more importantly NOT handshaking) with one of the devices (likely the DVI connection) and not the other. Or as I said NOT handshaking which will result in no sound. Anytime HDMI is connected and you are playing an SACD you gotta have the TV off and/or the extra HDMI/DVI thing OFF. If it detects either one it will only play PCM. It will also only play in 2 channel as it is handshaking somehow with a 2 channel device not the AVR.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Stephen Brandon <duke.brandonshire@gmail.com> wrote:

Have you checked to see if your new receiver has an option called "auto" ( or something line that? My Marantz, which is closely related to Denon, has this option for sound modes and it generally means u don't have to worry about changing sound modes on the receiver. Whatever signal it gets sent over HDMI (or optical, etc) it recognizes it (PCM, DSD, DTS, DD, etc) and just works properly. Worth looking into before you return it.

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:14 AM, razi <rzieger@gmx.net> wrote:

Hi at all and a happy Eastern...

while there a a few free days, I decided to start with a hardware-upgrade.
You know, my equiptment is verry old-styled, analog.
Besides my OPPO 93 (with ISO-FW) I´ve an AV-Receiver YAMAHA RX V1500
(no HDMI, 5 channel analog inputs, optical and coax inputs and output and component video-connections)
and my TV is also an "oldie" (plasma, but no HDMI).
There is also a mediaplayer "Xtreamer-Sidewinder" (MK1), optical connected and my files are on a synology NAS.

So I ordered before Easter an new AV-Receiver DENON AV 3313.
The first step was the 3313´s setup. It´s a bit terrible without a GUI, so I used my PC-Monitor
(DVI with HDCP). The OPPO´s 2nd HDMI I connected with the 3313, the OPPO´s output I setup to DSD.
I put in an (original!) SADC (DSOTM) an on the screen of the 3313 shows a light "DSD",
but NOTHING was to hear. :-(
So I changed to PCM and it works, as I also setup the 3313 input to "Multi-channel"
(there are 2 possibilities: DTS and Multi-Channel), it shows PCM Multichannel.
A DVD-A was also with that setup playable.
Now I took a DVD-V with DTS-Tracks and there was only "Stereo" shown.
As I switched the Input-Mode of the 3313 to "DTS" there was
"DTS-Multichannel" shown and all channels was to hear.

Much more difficulte was the connetion of my mediaplayer:
you have to decide, wich output formant you want to playback via HDMI:
2 channel DTS-downmix (forgetable), DTS, DTS-HD (and so on) OR Multichannel PCM.

If I want to playback Multi-Channel-FLACs, I´ve the output of my mediaplayer to change to
Multicannel-PCM, the 3313 also, otherwise I hear only stereo.
If I want to playback a video (mkv with DTS), I´ve both to swith to DTS.
I can the mediaplayer connect via fiber to the 3313, but there is no PCM-Multichannel support, only DTS (and AC3).

There are 2 possibilities:
Composite (video) and optical(audio) for watching filme (terribel!) and listenig audio (Multichannel PCM) via HDMI
OR
watching films via HDMI (HDTV with DTS and so on) and listening audio only in stereo.

To change the setup by each using is impossible (because of "my other best part") ...

Are there an ideas besides this cases????
I´ll send back the 3313 after Easter, this is clear for me.

razi
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