On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Tab Cursor <tabcursor@gmail.com> wrote:
Keyser,
You enlightened me to this format awhile ago. Thank you so much. Following your example, I've taken many lossless sources and created unofficial bluray audio folders. I go back and forth whether to go the extra step and create an ISO. I use AudioMuxer exclusively -- I haven't found a reason to switch to something else -- so this just means checking ISO and waiting a bit longer while imgBurn does its thing. I assume you still use AudioMuxer, too, or have you switched? If so, why?
Total Media Theater 5 works flawlessly with the ASUS Xonar HDAV Slim for bluray playback. Power DVD 12 works flawlessly with the Auzentech Hometheater HD for bluray playback. You can drag and drop BDMV folders to either program with full bluray features: lossless audio, chapter skips, menus, etc. If you get another HDMI card that has a Realtek chipset -- and many others -- either program will play back full bluray as well -- though may not sound as sweet.
I thought there'd be many more commercial Bluray Audio only discs available, but that still hasn't happened. To date, I've a hand-full from acts like Tom Petty, Pink Floyd, Steven Wilson, Rush, Jethro Tull, and a couple of classical pieces I rarely listen to. The rest of my hi-rez is still DVD Audio or SACD which I convert to BDA.
ISO files play okay with both TMT 5 and P DVD 12 as long as you're willing to add an ISO mounter to your HTPC. There are several out there. Besides Daemon -- I've rarely used it -- you can get a decent ISO mounter for free from the makers of DVD Fab or Slysoft. Slysoft is my current favorite, here:
http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html
It also works in Windows 8. You just right-click an ISO, choose "Mount" and auto-play launches whichever player software you choose. When you're done, you just right-click the ISO and choose unmount. This is almost as lazy as a drag-and-drop of a BDMV folder.
I'm still wondering if this format will ever take off. I do, however, feel that I've future-proofed my collection -- something I learned from you -- by converting my hi rez almost exclusively to BDA. I'm thinking that the ISO format might make it more appealing to those who haven't tried out this format yet. For this reason, I'm considering ISOs exclusively. What do you think -- BDA ISOs, drag-and-drop folders, or some other format: flac, SACD, DVD-A?
On Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:58:53 AM UTC-7, Keyser wrote:I use Total media Theater 5 and I just open the BDMV folder - there's no need to make and then mount an ISO..--------On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:44 AM, realafrica <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
On a related issue. What can one use to play a ripped Blu that is in the format of a BDMV folder and a CERTIFICATE folder?
Is it best to put these 2 folders into ImgBurn to make an iso of them?
Then mount with something like the sheepy virtual clone drive and play it with Cyberlink Power DVD?
On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:26:30 AM UTC+1, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:I'm aware they are different animals. My only point was maybe the mac version I'm using doesn't do anything but the DTS core. My experience hasn't been so great doing specifically the Nick Cave rips. I think I am getting far better from the disc or iso, though I shouldn't. Perplexed.--
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Steven Sullivan <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:DTS 96/24 and DTS-HD are different things. DTS 96/24 is lossy even when
played as core + extension. DTS-HD is not lossy when played back as core
+ extension. DVD Audio Extractor, in my experience, has no problem
extracting DTS 96/24 tracks, which show as DTS 96/24 on my AVR's format
display when I stream them.
FWIW I haven't formally tested whether they are 'really' DTS 96/24 ,which
I suppose I could do by encoding a track in both formats and comparing
them.
>>>>>> http://www.dts.com/**professiona**ls/resources/**resource-center.**
So then I was right about the weirdness with DTS files...ie when I do a
> rip
> of DTS 96/24 I have always felt I'd only gotten the core, like on my nick
> cave rips. They sound like ka ka compared to disc. Same material. Thank
> you for bringing up what I had LONG suspected.
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:14 AM, scolumbo <saco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Technical support for DVDAE has confirmed that their DTS decoder can
>> only
>> detect the lossy core in DTS-HD MA sources, so please be aware that you
>> will get a lossy DTS wrapped in a lossless FLAC container. They say that
>> they hope to add full support for DTS-HD MA in the future.
>>
>> I guess it's back to using eac3to for DTS-HD MA.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:39:04 PM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> watch out if you're installing ML as it will still detect the old trial
>>> version and not allow you to open it once you have downloaded it.
>>> FYI...mine borked.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM, scolumbo <saco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just an FIY. Version 7.0.0 of DVDAE is now out with BD support. Those
>>>> with version 6.0.0 or later of DVDAE get it free, otherwise a new
>>>> license
>>>> is required. There is a 30-day free trial. Don't know for sure, but I
>>>> assume the beta release of just the Bluray Audio Extractor would still
>>>> work
>>>> without downloading the full version.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:32:49 AM UTC-4, Blee...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info. Maybe was looking at the wrong papers but I
>>>>> didn't really understand much of what was in the papers. What I did
>>>>> see
>>>>> was that there are lots and lots of DTS variants. So I didn't really
>>>>> get
>>>>> to whether 1.5 is the absolute ceiling or not. Little bit over my
>>>>> head.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:30 PM, realafrica <paul....@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Try here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aspx
>>>>>> <http://www.dts.com/professionals/resources/resource-center.aspx>>>>>>>> be on this site if you have time to find it http://www.dts.com/**
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are plenty of PDF and 'Whie Papers@ on this page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:40:15 PM UTC+1, lokkerman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is a document somewhere that you can google that has the
>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>> DTS specification - it was on the old SSGG - I put it there - it
>>>>>>> may still
>>>>>>> professiona****ls/audio-software/**surround-**aud**io-suite/tech-**
>>>>>>> specs.aspx<http://www.dts.com/professionals/audio-software/surround-audio-suite/tech-specs.aspx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ's:http://www.dvdae.com/**sup******port/faqs<http://www.dvdae.com/support/faqs>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:22 PM, August Bleed
>>>>>>> <blee...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are we all certain that DTS itself it limited to 1.5? Boy I have
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> LOT of DTS stuff, primarily use it over dolby on the same
>>>>>>>> offering, etc. I
>>>>>>>> have found that it varies considerably and that it doesn't seem to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> limited to 1.5 even for the core. Am I wrong? It seems that the
>>>>>>>> 24 bit 96
>>>>>>>> stuff is better than 1.5. Perhaps this was for material at 24/48
>>>>>>>> or was a
>>>>>>>> standard a few years ago that has changed? I'm going to spend
>>>>>>>> some quality
>>>>>>>> time with a few DTS titles today and see if I can find some
>>>>>>>> variation in
>>>>>>>> the DTS core in terms of bit rate. I seem to recall very
>>>>>>>> different rates
>>>>>>>> for some material. For example some stuff I have that is really
>>>>>>>> DTS 1.5
>>>>>>>> (from CD I think--the under 700 mb wav variety). And I have sum
>>>>>>>> albums
>>>>>>>> from say NERD that are DTS and seem to exceed that particular
>>>>>>>> envelope.
>>>>>>>> I've got to confirm all this however when I listen today. Ill be
>>>>>>>> back!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 PM, flytomars
>>>>>>>> <flyt...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, DTS-MA is backwards compatible -
>>>>>>>>> It has a lossy DTS core that can be read by older machines.
>>>>>>>>> I was shocked to find out my receiver decodes DTS-MA even though
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is almost 10 years old,
>>>>>>>>> but then to my dismay found out it is just the lossy part...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:29:04 PM UTC+3, scolumbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To answer my own post, I guess what I failed to take into
>>>>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>>>>> is that the lossy core DTS would be limited to a bit rate of 1.5
>>>>>>>>>> Mbps while
>>>>>>>>>> the bit rates for DTS HD-MA would exceed that limit, up to a
>>>>>>>>>> maximum of 6.0
>>>>>>>>>> Mbps. My rips using Bluray Audio Extractor are in the 2.5-3.5
>>>>>>>>>> Mbps range,
>>>>>>>>>> so they must be the DTS-HD MA audio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting that the FLAC file from the Grace for Drowning
>>>>>>>>>> BD
>>>>>>>>>> I was comparing it to has a bit rate of 4.316 Mbps, while the
>>>>>>>>>> same track
>>>>>>>>>> ripped with Bluray Audio Extractor has a bit rate of 2.698 Mbps.
>>>>>>>>>> This is
>>>>>>>>>> what is reported from MediaInfo and also confirmed using Foobar
>>>>>>>>>> to play the
>>>>>>>>>> files. Do different FLAC compression levels cause the bit rate
>>>>>>>>>> to change,
>>>>>>>>>> or there some other explanation for the different bit rates?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 2:28:30 PM UTC-4, scolumbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I decided to try my own advice, and now I'm not sure if
>>>>>>>>>>> Bluray Audio Extractor is actually extracting the DTS HD-MA, or
>>>>>>>>>>> the core
>>>>>>>>>>> DTS. I compared the file sizes for Grace for Drowning which I
>>>>>>>>>>> already had
>>>>>>>>>>> as DTS HD-MA in FLAC format and the files extracted using
>>>>>>>>>>> Bluray Audio
>>>>>>>>>>> Extractor are about 2/3 the size. Using MediaInfo, the bitrates
>>>>>>>>>>> are also
>>>>>>>>>>> different. Maybe this is a result of different FLAC
>>>>>>>>>>> compression?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there an easy way to determine if the ripped audio tracks,
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> fact, contain the lossless DTS HD-MA?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 1:58:55 PM UTC-4, scolumbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember having problems using DVD Audio Extractor
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> DTS 96/24 files but I don't have many of those anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eac3to using the Audiomuxer interface also extracts and
>>>>>>>>>>>> converts
>>>>>>>>>>>> HD audio files from BD to FLAC, but DVD Audio Extractor is
>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to use and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like having a similar UI for both DVD and BD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also run across BD rips that only contain the core DTS.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if that was intended, but I suspect it was done
>>>>>>>>>>>> inadvertently and
>>>>>>>>>>>> just wasn't noticed. Of course, file size should be a clue
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the HD
>>>>>>>>>>>> audio wasn't ripped. Maybe there are programs that can only
>>>>>>>>>>>> rip core DTS
>>>>>>>>>>>> and not the DTS HD-MA audio?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 1:02:53 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blee...@yahoo.comwrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's awesome. I've yet to come up with a good solution for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. Thus far I've removed the encryption and just kept it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a AVCHD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder or stream the m2ts file. Neither is really that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great. It'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice to be able to stream individual songs. The problem with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the m2ts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing is that there isn't any way that I know of to cut the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> individually. So some albums only get listened to when I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the mood
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the entire thing. This should make that much easier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems I've ever had with the program are with DTS 96/24
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files. For some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason these always show up only as the DTS stem when I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> program. I don't get the same stuff showing up on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiver when I make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them flac as opposed to disc image. Any other format it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else have that weirdness with DTS? I found some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same thing with blu ray audio...I've seen purported rips of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BD's that only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the core DTS and not the DTS HD MA. Anybody else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Know of a fix. Im using the mac version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:41 AM, elshagon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <elsh...@msn.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, that would sure make things easier for BD music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discs!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 6:43 am, scolumbo <sacolu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those that are familiar with DVD Audio Extractor for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ripping FLAC files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > from DVD-A or DVD-V, there is a new beta release for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ripping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blu-ray to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > FLAC. BD encryption has to be removed first using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as DVDFab
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > or AnyDVD. The site says the beta is available for current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DVD Audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Extractor users, so I don't know if you have to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered user of DVD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Audio Extractor to use it. I've tested it on a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ISO's and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > seems to work. It has a similar structure and menu setup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DVD Audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Extractor, so it is very easy to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Look for "Do you have plans to add support to Blu-ray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discs"
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