flac files and make a DVD-A or whatever multichannel format you
wished, and that could be playable on a home system?
I see no purpose in listening to multi-channel sound on a pc through
crummy little speakers.
Interseting however that there are multiple SACD formats. I was not
aware that an SACD-R differs from a commercial SACD considering it is
an ISO image and purly data. Is the header different when burned to a
DVD as a back up of the SACD format?
On Sep 4, 4:27 pm, Stephen Disney <sthunderroc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with August. Your player isn't compatible with SACD-Rs (an admittedly
> strong limitation). Ironically a PS3 is also not compatible. That ISO
> definitely plays in foobar.
> S
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well I personally have had zero probs with approx 40 rips played on an oppo
> > with the resultant disk image burned in udf with imgburn. I would
> > respectfully suggest u check to make certain yr player accepts sacd-r's.
> > Some won't. There are also multiple formats for sacd and some are
> > mountable some are not. This makes 0 diff in whether yr player plays the
> > file. The person who asked about pc playback...assuming u r using a disc
> > that's the prob. U should be able to play dff from yr hdd however.
>
> > August
> > Bleed Inc.
> > Selling art is tying your ego to a leash and walking it like a dog.
>
> > Sent from the BleedPod.
>
> > On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Brian Treml <britre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I pulled the Billy Joel The Stranger ISO and indeed there are issues.
> > > WinRar which will read ISO files states it is an invalid archive.
> > > Whien burned to a DVD-R using imageBurn my DVD-A/SACD/Muliti-Player
> > > which has never failed to play any material I have obtained states "no
> > > disc". I have not tried this on a PS3 since I do not have one but my
> > > guess is the header of these discs is only readable by the game
> > > system. Anyone else have some thoughts?
>
> > > On Sep 3, 12:36 pm, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Are we still talking about the links i gave you all? they're the same
> > as
> > >> any other ps3 sacd iso rip. use Imgburn on windows machine to make the
> > >> disc. It may balk occasionally at some discs but will usually present a
> > way
> > >> to make it work...like if your image file is small enough to fit on one
> > side
> > >> of a dual sided dvd...ect. Im guessing this is why Im the only one who
> > >> commented on the quality of the disc? It should write to disc just like
> > any
> > >> other out there...basically your sacd player supports it or it doesn't.
> > >> There is no middle ground at this point. Does everyone that wanted that
> > >> file have the link now? Just email me if you need it...
>
> > >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:53 AM, polmuaddib <vladimirmalu...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > >>> Sorry, I didn't read "linked ISO" I thought you were refering to all
> > >>> of PS3 rips...
>
> > >>> On Sep 2, 3:36 pm, MrMalice <MrMalic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Has anyone attempted to burn the linked ISO to DVD? If so, what
> > burning
> > >>> app,
> > >>>> what playback device/software, and what results?
>
> > >>>> Thanks.
>
> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Daun Polod <daunpo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>> Can i have the link too? Thanks...
>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:32 AM, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> If both of you didn't receive copies just drop me a line and Ill try
> > >>>>>> again.
>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:30 AM, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> You both should have received links to the file. I should note I
> > >>> found
> > >>>>>>> the linked torrent at another site than the original which seemed
> > to
> > >>>>>>> disappear from the internet. So this version is not labeled like
> > the
> > >>> former
> > >>>>>>> one I had which had indicated it was an up mix. this one indicates
> > >>> nothing
> > >>>>>>> and doesn't really note the album or artist. You should enjoy the
> > >>> iso for
> > >>>>>>> kicks and giggles. It certainly made me think HOW bad I need the
> > new
> > >>>>>>> SACD...since someone seems to have done a relatively competent job
> > at
> > >>> their
> > >>>>>>> home computer...maybe they should have hired this guy/gal instead
> > of
> > >>>>>>> guthrie...maybe then the immersion sets would only cost 100
> > >>> bucks...lol
>
> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:19 AM, MrMalice <MrMalic...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>> August,
>
> > >>>>>>>> Seconds on requesting a private link to the WYWH.
>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>
> > >>>>>>>> MrM
>
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Stephen Disney <
> > >>>>>>>> sthunderroc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>> Many were burned by unlabelled upmixes and fakes across the board
> > >>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> years. This is nothing new and regrettably unavoidable... except
> > >>> if you
> > >>>>>>>>> know your source. I will send you a private link. Also... have
> > >>> you
> > >>>>>>>>> updated to the latest foobar plugin version. Maybe it was a cpu
> > >>> usage
> > >>>>>>>>> issue?
>
> > >>>>>>>>> Last thing I will say is that if you trust our members here...
> > then
> > >>> you
> > >>>>>>>>> trust the guys doing most of these releases.
>
> > >>>>>>>>> August... can you link me in private to the WYWH upmix?
> > >>>>>>>>> S
>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:42 PM, August Bleed <
> > bleed...@gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I downloaded both the APP and PF upmixes to SACD that are being
> > >>>>>>>>>> discussed here. We are all probably aware these came from
> > >>> (supposedly) Q8
> > >>>>>>>>>> quad tapes that were at one time converted to DVD-A. I
> > downloaded
> > >>> them
> > >>>>>>>>>> fully aware that they were fakes, but I love both the albums and
> > >>> figured
> > >>>>>>>>>> what the heck lets see how well they did...Well, the APP wasn't
> > >>> really any
> > >>>>>>>>>> different from the HDAD...however, PF WYWH is leagues different
> > >>> from the
> > >>>>>>>>>> DVD-A out there. Almost sounds like a studio release. I almost
> > >>> thought I'd
> > >>>>>>>>>> gotten a pre release version of the new release it's pretty
> > >>> remarkable labor
> > >>>>>>>>>> of love. Not to say that it shouldn't be labeled as an upmix
> > (and
> > >>> I believe
> > >>>>>>>>>> the sources I have were identified as such)...but for something
> > >>> someone
> > >>>>>>>>>> likely made at home it sounds very good.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM, pj-mckay <
> > >>> johnmc...@btinternet.com>wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> To Stephen and Hardlock Cafe...
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I agree with what you're saying and I trust you guys
> > implicitely
> > >>> but
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the PS3 rip thing is clearly in its infancy and the
> > availability
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> rips is a great thing for the future. I think the audio market
> > >>> will
> > >>>>>>>>>>> have to look at releasing in file form at some point,
> > especially
> > >>> with
> > >>>>>>>>>>> all this work. Media players, Oppo with disk/file access, etc
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> get
> > >>>>>>>>>>> away from optical is the future in my mind. I dont mind paying
> > >>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>>> good quality but some of the recent prices being quoted are
> > >>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous. All your comments are appreciated.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Excluding you guys and the folk you say you trust.... someone
> > >>> will
> > >>>>>>>>>>> release standard stuff packaged and named wrongly, and some of
> > us
> > >>>>>>>>>>> might be fooled. I guess you could say that's tough, and I
> > guess
> > >>> we
> > >>>>>>>>>>> all might need to restrict ourselves to 'good guys' but I'm
> > >>> fearing
> > >>>>>>>>>>> us
> > >>>>>>>>>>> being duped and scoffed at. Again; so long as I have the
> > actual
> > >>>>>>>>>>> SACD
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I will be able to compare and say yeh or nay but I'd much
> > rather
> > >>> we
> > >>>>>>>>>>> had some way of knowing genuine from fake (might not be
> > possible
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> maybe it's irrelevent if I can't tell). At some point I am
> > going
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> download a 'ripped' multichannel version that I dont actually
> > own
> > >>>>>>>>>>> (I'll have the CD at least), and I am going to 'trust' it. I'm
> > >>>>>>>>>>> thinking of all the stuff Napster broadcast with the wrong tags
> > >>> in
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>> early days; and things like 'turning Japanese' being associated
> > >>> with
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The Kinks. Once junk hits the internet there is no stopping
> > it,
> > >>> no
> > >>>>>>>>>>> hiding it, and no way back! It'll turn up for years.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> ps I have seen folk talk of ripping their SACD when all they
> > are
> > >>>>>>>>>>> doing is ripping the hybrid part. They're not even trying to
> > >>> fool
> > >>>>>>>>>>> folk they're just not 100% aware of what they have done.
> > They're
> > >>> not
> > >>>>>>>>>>> stupid, they're not malicious... just wrong about what they
> > >>> think
> > >>>>>>>>>>> they're doing. And we can all be wrong about something at some
> > >>> point
> > >>>>>>>>>>> in our life (many points in mine)..
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> pps Brubeck download; It wasn't so much distortion as total
> > >>> break-up.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> And it was an ISO from another site, played through Foobar on
> > my
> > >>> PC.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> It was my first 'test' and maybe I need to build a list of
> > trusty
> > >>>>>>>>>>> sources. You guys and your own control of the Hub will be a
> > far
> > >>>>>>>>>>> safer, and trusted, environment. That'll be another lesson for
> > me
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> take onboard.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway... A big THANK YOU to all the genuine work out there,
> > >>> and I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> sincerely hope it changes the distribution of music in future.
> > >>> It's
> > >>>>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> worthy dream surely.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 9:13 am, Stephen Disney <sthunderroc...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but I will say that
> > >>> 90%
> > >>>>>>>>>>> of what is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> out there labelled as PS3 SACD rips are in fact ripped as
> > >>> described
> > >>>>>>>>>>> by known
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> releasers. There is a guy on rutracker posting assembled ISOs
> > >>> from
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Pioneer
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ripped (special mod) DFF files, but aside from the ISO not
> > >>> being a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> true
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> archive of the original, the audio should be identical. Even
> > >>> so,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> we are
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> pushing for better labeling. Yes... an I Robot upmix has been
> > >>>>>>>>>>> posted as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> SACD ISO, but that was clearly labelled as an upmix. Again...
> > >>>>>>>>>>> labelling is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> key. Also, a well known pioneer of surround sharing has
> > >>>>>>>>>>> resurfaced and is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> transferring other sources to SACD. Again... labelled.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sure one could try to pass off a fake (but I don't think it
> > >>> would
> > >>>>>>>>>>> last
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> long). However, these are legit and the quality is there.
> > Not
> > >>>>>>>>>>> sure about
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> your distortion issue.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> S
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:57 AM, pj-mckay <
> > >>>>>>>>>>> johnmc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There's so much of interest here, but most of it is very
> > >>>>>>>>>>> technical,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a lot of followers will be showing a lot of 'faith' in
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Taking a step back though; Has anyone done much in the way
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> audio
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> comparisons - source to converted quality? Aside from the
> > >>>>>>>>>>> technical
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> differences I like flac as I play mine on a network media
> > >>> player;
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> could use the PC but that's not the way forward and has no
> > >>>>>>>>>>> commercial
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> future IMHO.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to rock the boat but unless the quality is
> > >>> there
> > >>>>>>>>>>> from
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the start it has little meaning to me and others. No point
> > >>> in
> > >>>>>>>>>>> hi-res
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> noise, jitter, artefacts etc, and we're all aware of a few on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> different recordings. For instance I downloaded the a Dave
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Brubeck
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> album jus to see what it sounded like; stereo seemed fine; 2
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> multichannel were very distorted and I deleted the lot.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> How can we tell we're downloading a good rip and a genuine
> > >>> sacd?
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Not
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> from you guys, but cowboys and kidders will stsart to jump on
> > >>>>>>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> bandwagon for a giggle. We'll see upmixes, flac conversions
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> normal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> CDs to
>
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