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Sunday, September 4, 2011

[SurroundSound] Re: PS3 SACD rips

I shall try to foobar it and let all know of my findings. A DVD-A
would be a good thing!

On Sep 4, 8:15 pm, Stephen Disney <sthunderroc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its a full rip of the SACD data.  That said, there seems to be either a)
> something (header or flag) that doesn't make it across and the average
> player doesn't recognize it as a SACD (seems a disc swap would work in these
> cases were it posible)... or b) the player won't recognize a burned disc as
> an SACD.
>
> And yes... while some consider it a "lesser quality" rip.  You can in deed
> transcode it to flac in foobar...
> S
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Brian Treml <britre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So are you trying to say you could Foobar these into 6 channel wav or
> > flac files and make a DVD-A or whatever multichannel format you
> > wished, and that could be playable on a home system?
>
> > I see no purpose in listening to multi-channel sound on a pc through
> > crummy little speakers.
>
> > Interseting however that there are multiple SACD formats. I was not
> > aware that an SACD-R differs from a commercial SACD considering it is
> > an ISO image and purly data. Is the header different when burned to a
> > DVD as a back up of the SACD format?
>
> > On Sep 4, 4:27 pm, Stephen Disney <sthunderroc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm with August.  Your player isn't compatible with SACD-Rs (an
> > admittedly
> > > strong limitation).  Ironically a PS3 is also not compatible.  That ISO
> > > definitely plays in foobar.
> > > S
>
> > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Well I personally have had zero probs with approx 40 rips played on an
> > oppo
> > > > with the resultant disk image burned in udf with imgburn.  I would
> > > > respectfully suggest u check to make certain yr player accepts
> > sacd-r's.
> > > >  Some won't.  There are also multiple formats for sacd and some are
> > > > mountable some are not.  This makes 0 diff in whether yr player plays
> > the
> > > > file.  The person who asked about pc playback...assuming u r using a
> > disc
> > > > that's the prob.  U should be able to play dff from yr hdd however.
>
> > > > August
> > > > Bleed Inc.
> > > > Selling art is tying your ego to a leash and walking it like a dog.
>
> > > > Sent from the BleedPod.
>
> > > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Brian Treml <britre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I pulled the Billy Joel The Stranger ISO and indeed there are issues.
> > > > > WinRar which will read ISO files states it is an invalid archive.
> > > > > Whien burned to a DVD-R using imageBurn my DVD-A/SACD/Muliti-Player
> > > > > which has never failed to play any material I have obtained states
> > "no
> > > > > disc". I have not tried this on a PS3 since I do not have one but my
> > > > > guess is the header of these discs is only readable by the game
> > > > > system. Anyone else have some thoughts?
>
> > > > > On Sep 3, 12:36 pm, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Are we still talking about the links i gave you all?  they're the
> > same
> > > > as
> > > > >> any other ps3 sacd iso rip.  use Imgburn on windows machine to make
> > the
> > > > >> disc.  It may balk occasionally at some discs but will usually
> > present a
> > > > way
> > > > >> to make it work...like if your image file is small enough to fit on
> > one
> > > > side
> > > > >> of a dual sided dvd...ect.  Im guessing this is why Im the only one
> > who
> > > > >> commented on the quality of the disc?  It should write to disc just
> > like
> > > > any
> > > > >> other out there...basically your sacd player supports it or it
> > doesn't.
> > > > >> There is no middle ground at this point.  Does everyone that wanted
> > that
> > > > >> file have the link now?  Just email me if you need it...
>
> > > > >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:53 AM, polmuaddib <
> > vladimirmalu...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > >>> Sorry, I didn't read "linked ISO" I thought you were refering to
> > all
> > > > >>> of PS3 rips...
>
> > > > >>> On Sep 2, 3:36 pm, MrMalice <MrMalic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> Has anyone attempted to burn the linked ISO to DVD? If so, what
> > > > burning
> > > > >>> app,
> > > > >>>> what playback device/software, and what results?
>
> > > > >>>> Thanks.
>
> > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Daun Polod <daunpo...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Can i have the link too? Thanks...
>
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:32 AM, August Bleed <
> > bleed...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>> If both of you didn't receive copies just drop me a line and Ill
> > try
> > > > >>>>>> again.
>
> > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:30 AM, August Bleed <
> > bleed...@gmail.com
> > > > >>>> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>> You both should have received links to the file.  I should note
> > I
> > > > >>> found
> > > > >>>>>>> the linked torrent at another site than the original which
> > seemed
> > > > to
> > > > >>>>>>> disappear from the internet.  So this version is not labeled
> > like
> > > > the
> > > > >>> former
> > > > >>>>>>> one I had which had indicated it was an up mix.  this one
> > indicates
> > > > >>> nothing
> > > > >>>>>>> and doesn't really note the album or artist.  You should enjoy
> > the
> > > > >>> iso for
> > > > >>>>>>> kicks and giggles.  It certainly made me think HOW bad I need
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > >>>>>>> SACD...since someone seems to have done a relatively competent
> > job
> > > > at
> > > > >>> their
> > > > >>>>>>> home computer...maybe they should have hired this guy/gal
> > instead
> > > > of
> > > > >>>>>>> guthrie...maybe then the immersion sets would only cost 100
> > > > >>> bucks...lol
>
> > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:19 AM, MrMalice <
> > MrMalic...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> August,
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Seconds on requesting a private link to the WYWH.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> MrM
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Stephen Disney <
> > > > >>>>>>>> sthunderroc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Many were burned by unlabelled upmixes and fakes across the
> > board
> > > > >>> for
> > > > >>>>>>>>> years.  This is nothing new and regrettably unavoidable...
> > except
> > > > >>> if you
> > > > >>>>>>>>> know your source.  I will send you a private link.   Also...
> > have
> > > > >>> you
> > > > >>>>>>>>> updated to the latest foobar plugin version.  Maybe it was a
> > cpu
> > > > >>> usage
> > > > >>>>>>>>> issue?
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Last thing I will say is that if you trust our members
> > here...
> > > > then
> > > > >>> you
> > > > >>>>>>>>> trust the guys doing most of these releases.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> August... can you link me in private to the WYWH upmix?
> > > > >>>>>>>>> S
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:42 PM, August Bleed <
> > > > bleed...@gmail.com
> > > > >>>> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I downloaded both the APP and PF upmixes to SACD that are
> > being
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussed here.  We are all probably aware these came from
> > > > >>> (supposedly) Q8
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> quad tapes that were at one time converted to DVD-A.  I
> > > > downloaded
> > > > >>> them
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> fully aware that they were fakes, but I love both the albums
> > and
> > > > >>> figured
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> what the heck lets see how well they did...Well, the APP
> > wasn't
> > > > >>> really any
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> different from the HDAD...however, PF WYWH is leagues
> > different
> > > > >>> from the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> DVD-A out there.  Almost sounds like a studio release.  I
> > almost
> > > > >>> thought I'd
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> gotten a pre release version of the new release it's pretty
> > > > >>> remarkable labor
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> of love.  Not to say that it shouldn't be labeled as an
> > upmix
> > > > (and
> > > > >>> I believe
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> the sources I have were identified as such)...but for
> > something
> > > > >>> someone
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> likely made at home it sounds very good.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM, pj-mckay <
> > > > >>> johnmc...@btinternet.com>wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To Stephen and Hardlock Cafe...
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I agree with what you're saying and I trust you guys
> > > > implicitely
> > > > >>> but
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PS3 rip thing is clearly in its infancy and the
> > > > availability
> > > > >>> of
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> rips is a great thing for the future.  I think the audio
> > market
> > > > >>> will
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> have to look at releasing in file form at some point,
> > > > especially
> > > > >>> with
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> all this work.  Media players, Oppo with disk/file access,
> > etc
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> get
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> away from optical is the future in my mind.  I dont mind
> > paying
> > > > >>> for
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> good quality but some of the recent prices being quoted are
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous.  All your comments are appreciated.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Excluding you guys and the folk you say you trust....
> > someone
> > > > >>> will
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> release standard stuff packaged and named wrongly, and some
> > of
> > > > us
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> might be fooled.  I guess you could say that's tough, and I
> > > > guess
> > > > >>> we
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> all might need to restrict ourselves to 'good guys' but I'm
> > > > >>> fearing
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> us
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being duped and scoffed at.  Again; so  long as I have the
> > > > actual
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> SACD
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I will be able to compare and say yeh or nay but I'd much
> > > > rather
> > > > >>> we
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> had some way of knowing genuine from fake (might not be
> > > > possible
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> maybe it's irrelevent if I can't tell).  At some point I am
> > > > going
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> download a 'ripped' multichannel version that I dont
> > actually
> > > > own
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> (I'll have the CD at least), and I am going to 'trust' it.
> >  I'm
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> thinking of all the stuff Napster broadcast with the wrong
> > tags
> > > > >>> in
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> early days; and things like 'turning Japanese' being
> > associated
> > > > >>> with
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> The Kinks.  Once junk hits the internet there is no
> > stopping
> > > > it,
> > > > >>> no
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> hiding it, and no way back!  It'll turn up for years.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ps  I have seen folk talk of ripping
>
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