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Wednesday, August 31, 2011

[SurroundSound] Re: PS3 SACD rips

Here are some reasons that I can think of, offhand:

1) Because I can! I have equipment that can play back SACD-Rs, DSD
Discs, Bluray, and watermarked DVD-As, so it's educational to compare
across the formats, compare the transcoded tracks, play around with
ripping and transcoding methods, etc.

2) Because SACD is easier to play than DVD-A. I have many DVD-A discs
but playing them requires screen navigation. SACD playback is more
straightforward. I can rip the DVD-A tracks to individual flacs but
it's just not the same experience for me. I like playing music off
discs. Also, my system is set up so that only my disc players are
outputting discrete (5.1) multichannel audio to my old av amp, and can
decode DTS-HD, etc .

3) For many years, I have compiled high definition music onto CD discs
for friends/family/car playback. Exremely enjoyable to be a sort of DJ
when recommending music to people. Many of them now have SACD players,
so I would like to enjoy the "bragging rights" of being among the
first to take advantage of ripping SACDs with my PS3 to create my own
compilation SACD-Rs. For 12 years, I've always been forced to look at
SACDs as some magical, forbidden format that cannot be read on just
any disc player/computer, that cannot be ripped or copied, that cost a
darn pretty penny, and that just seem to overshadow the competing DVD-
A format. Even studio engineers who wanted to, couldn't make test
SACDs to try out in domestic environments. They had to send the master
to a pressing facility just to produce even a single test SACD (but
paying the equivalent of a whole batch of SACDs).

4) This thread is generically named PS3 SACD Rips, and anything
related to ripping music off SACDs via PS3s, and the accompanying
opportunities and limitations of the DSD format versus flac and all
the conversions/transcoding, etc, should still be relevant for readers
wishing to learn all about this new enabler.

5) Conversion from DVD-A PCM to DSD is now a proven way to completely
obliterate the hitherto uncracked watermarking of CPRM-protected
music. I'd previously posted this finding in various other forums,
just to let people who have been thwarted by CPRM, know that they are
now able to convert watermarked DVD-A discs to SACD-R discs. Or, to
convert watermarked DVD-A discs to unwatermarked DVD-A discs.

6) The debate on whether the DSD format sounds better than hidef PCM
is still ongoing, but I personally find that DSD sounds better in some
situations. E.g., when the music is harsh and clinical. DSD tends to
soften and smoothen the sharp waveforms of badly created digital
music. So, now that PS3 ripping has also opened a pandora's box, it
has created a whole new interest in the DSD format, and more DSD-
editing/conversion software has been made available to the masses.
Thus, if can use harness DSD, why not try it out and share our
experiences with others. Maybe in another more focused thread, maybe
here... but we've got to get the interest level among the masses
fueled up first.

7) DSD may or may not sound superior over other formats, but
conversion to this format may not always involve wanting improvements
in freq response or dynamic range. It could be used as an intermediate
format, for obliterating digital watermarks, and then converted back
to PCM (assuming we can ensure no audible degradation is added in the
process). It could be used to take advantage of the other attractive
benefits of SACD(r) playback. It could be used to study the sonic
characteristics of the DSD and PCM playback equipment that we already
own or have access to. All this and more, is now possible, when
previously it was not (ok, at least not to the public at large, and
was the exclusive domain of studio engineers and researchers).


On Aug 30, 10:27 pm, starmanj <spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My 2 cents-- why would anyone want to convert anything to SACD format?
>  Either leave it a native PS3 ISO or convert to a more "standard" format for
> playback like FLAC.  Even if you believe SACD sound is superior, converting
> from a non-SACD format to SACD doesn't gain frequency response or dynamic
> range from nowhere.  As a rule I think any conversions to SACD format should
> be highly discouraged.
> Starmanj

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