potentially public to any who use Google.
On 5 July, 18:03, realafrica <paul.gam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The hub is extremely sloooooooooooow as people have commented. The
> speed depends as much on the file host's up speed as it does on the
> receiver's down speed.
> So any thing that can be done to speed up downloads by making them
> independent of the upper's speed would be a general improvement, but
> this would mean a very radical change to the way the hub is at the
> moment. FTP server or whatever, wherever, would mean that we all would
> have to FTP into the server or website to 'UP' our contributions.
>
> This is might be problematical:
> 1) Not all hubbers (future hubbers) are used to doing FTP or whatever
> uploads.
> 2) If we have 50 or more individuals wanting to get into the server to
> 'UP' their files 27/7/365 that seems like asking for bottlenecks
> and all kinds of issues.
> 3) It will be a big change from the way things work now
> 4) We could lose much of the community spirit that to me is very
> precious.
> 5) All files would be on this remote server and no longer 'shares' on
> individual's HDD's.
>
> An immediate fix to the problem of where / how to host the hub would
> seem to be to keep it where it is and contribute a bit towards it's
> cost.
> THEN over the next however-long-it-takes we can discuss and decide
> what changes to make and how to implement those changes.
> A dedicated website on the darknet might be the best option, but then
> we have to consider bandwidth costs etc..
> With the current political climate re sharing we might be better to
> keep a low profile rather than promote ourselves as we have done so
> far. i e via Google.
>
> On 5 July, 15:02, Joe <qwerty110...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello, I've been trying to get on the hub to no avail. I've spent quite
> > sometime figuring out the problem with Ptokax. I've tried all the possible
> > google solutions. I downloaded Ptokax and enabled "don't check ip" on
> > profiles. I'm tired configuring. I'll go back to blogs and forums. Goodluck
> > with you all as I have read some of the changes in your HUB.
>
> > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Lokkerman <phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > One thing to add to this, is that I have considered that another member or
> > > myself could host the hub. Technically it does not appear difficult.
> > > What I am having problems with is that this does not mitigate for any
> > > personal problems (work, life, new vocations lol. etc) and it does not
> > > offer
> > > any form of contingency in case of any issues.
> > > I am therefore looking at a fully transparent (technically, operationally
> > > and financially) solution but also whilst at it taking the opportunity to
> > > create a broader service and include work by such archivists such as
> > > Richard.
> > > Please keep the comments flowing.
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > > surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Jazzer
> > > Sent: 05 July 2010 12:46
> > > To: SurroundSound
> > > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>
> > > I agree with grill, realafrica and others that ideally it would be great if
> > > someone was to step up to the plate and provide a "free"
> > > solution to the other members. That's easy for me to suggest as I have
> > > neither the technical or financial means to offer this, but in the meantime
> > > I would be happy to chip in for a subscription to the hub for as long as it
> > > takes.
>
> > > On Jul 5, 12:30 pm, mugs <mug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I agree with everyone that a fee is not really an issue for me. I am
> > > > more than willing to pitch in. I do however like the idea of something
> > > > a bit faster for instance the ftp server if set up properly could be
> > > > faster. Or there are other ideas out there as well. Some dont have the
> > > > bandwidth to accomplish fast downloads on their own but if the files
> > > > were somewhere else(ftp etc) the bandwidth would only be limited by
> > > > the server speed and bandwidth of THAT connection. I am still paying
> > > > for giganews so for me a fee isnt really an issue. I realize that some
> > > > are not in that position and I may not be at some point. I will pretty
> > > > much agree with whatever is decided.
>
> > > > On Jul 5, 3:01 am, burning panda <peter.p.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > As per the above comments. If there's ultimately the need for fee/
> > > > > subscription then i've no probs with that.
>
> > > > > On Jul 5, 2:35 pm, Paul Garfunkel <paulgarfun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Well as lovely as the hub is, I find it very slow. So if we were
> > > > > > to find a better and faster option the costs should be worth the
> > > price.
> > > > > > It would be just like the qps days!
>
> > > > > > On 7/5/10, Huckamazoo <Huckama...@alumni.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > It looks like in the short run we can BUY some time. So don't
> > > stress.
> > > > > > > I'm in as well. Long term that could become a logistics
> > > > > > > nightmare for the one collecting. PayPal would be easy to send
> > > money.
> > > > > > > LOKKS what ever you need.
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:38 pm, ceplas...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> I'm not even sure if I have access to the hub, as I haven't had
> > > > > > >> much time to download and listen to stuff since the Mojave
> > > > > > >> days. However, if there's a way to do it with Paypal, I will
> > > happily donate a few bucks to the hub.
> > > > > > >> -CP
>
> > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> From: Mark <m...@iinet.net.au>
> > > > > > >> To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> > > > > > >> Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:09 pm
> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Home For The Hub
>
> > > > > > >> I agree with Paul Garfunkel, realafrica and ted_B.
>
> > > > > > >> For the short term a small donation by those of us willing to
> > > > > > >> do so should be considered.
> > > > > > >> This would enable us to keep the hub on it's current server for
> > > > > > >> a month or two until a long term solution is found.
>
> > > > > > >> Quite frankly, in my short time here The Hub has become the
> > > > > > >> single most important thing in my online life.
>
> > > > > > >> I also like the idea of a members only ftp server for those who
> > > > > > >> cannot 'hub'.
>
> > > > > > >> beet.
>
> > > > > > >> On 5/07/2010 2:24 AM, Paul Garfunkel wrote:
> > > > > > >> > I see no problem in a subscription based hub. Most of us have
> > > > > > >> > been paying for rapidshare and that has not worked out so
> > > > > > >> > well and this way we would have no outside interference.
>
> > > > > > >> > We could get better service and speed.
>
> > > > > > >> > On 7/4/10, Lokkerman<phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> Thanks Grill
> > > > > > >> >> I will note your comments
>
> > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> >> From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> > > > > > >> >> [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
> > > > > > >> >> On Behalf Of grill
> > > > > > >> >> Sent: 04 July 2010 14:02
> > > > > > >> >> To: SurroundSound
> > > > > > >> >> Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>
> > > > > > >> >> Lokks, as I posted before I'm not able to host the Hub. In
> > > > > > >> >> addition, I'm not competent in Apex stuffs at all.
> > > > > > >> >> Nevertheless, if necessary I'd temporarily spend a small
> > > > > > >> >> amount of money to help keep the Hub running, However, imo
> > > > > > >> >> all of us would most appreciate a free (or an almost free)
> > > > > > >> >> solution.
> > > > > > >> >> Anyway, one
> > > > > > >> >> or some of us should step up and take care of everything.
>
> > > > > > >> >> On júl. 4, 12:23, "Lokkerman"<phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>> Guys
>
> > > > > > >> >>> That was a sad day yesterday and all I can say is good luck
> > > Glen.
>
> > > > > > >> >>> Obviously I know Glen quite well and I do know that what he
> > > > > > >> >>> is about to do is his vocation. Glen has a unique
> > > > > > >> >>> opportunity and the talent and so seriously must pursue this
> > > course. So Wish You Well Glen...
>
> > > > > > >> >>> Unfortunately because we have not done any succession
> > > > > > >> >>> planning we have only got a couple of days to put something in
> > > place for the hub.
>
> > > > > > >> >>> I would like everyone to contribute what they would believe
> > > > > > >> >>> to be the best on this one. Then I will try and reach some
> > > > > > >> >>> kind of consensus view. I am quite a novice on hosting Apex
> > > > > > >> >>> so I don't really know what the requirements are, so first
> > > > > > >> >>> of all can someone point me in the
> > > > > > >> >> direction please?
>
> > > > > > >> >>> What I do have in mind on a practical level is that we need
> > > > > > >> >>> to really think about having a couple of assistant ops, in
> > > > > > >> >>> case of the many scenarios that can and may occur.
>
> > > > > > >> >>> I am also going to have discussions about how we manage
> > > > > > >> >>> OD's contribution, maybe a members only ftp server could be
> > > > > > >> >>> the answer as it is impractical for everyone to be a hub
> > > member.
>
> > > > > > >> >>> Please let this thread be as open minded as possible
> > > > > > >> >>> because now may be the time to put things in place that
> > > > > > >> >>> could be beneficial to all of us.
>
> > > > > > >> >>> Cheers
> > > > > > >> >>> Lokks
>
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