Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD

It seems that a lot of people "diagnose" the source to be Redbook CD, whenever they don't see any sound above 20Khz.

As an mastering (and recording) engineer, I made at least 200 cut/bin/distro master tapes where I intentionally cut anything above 20Khz and below 40Hz or so, to make it cutter-friendly. I have seen many master recorders in studios with hi/lo pass filters permanently patched in. Not to mention Dolby A/SR units with lo-pass filters turned on with a jumper.

Take a bunch of 70's & 80's vinyl records and put them trough your waveform thingy, see how many have anything over 20Khz.

A reminder that until about 1990, I never heard about anyone complaining, or wanting to "hear" audio above 20Khz. FM radio was limited to 15Khz and FM radio was a king - if it did not sound good on FM, you just did not care. Around that time, I first saw what was called a "super-tweeter" for the first time, and thought those folks a bonkers... as did anyone with engineering degree at the time.

It took me at least 5 years to fully understand the impact of this frequencies. But the point is - a lot, if not most, MASTERED tapes, and a lot of studio masters too, will have anything over 20KHz snipped. Just FYI.

Andrej Falout

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:14 PM, citysoundman <bobkirschner1@gmail.com> wrote:

The Heroes and Lust for Life on What appear, from the waveforms, to be from a redbook CD. Waveforms go up to 20KHz and then get cut off. But the user who uploaded those also uploaded Hey Jude from R2R and this is the real thing :) Waveforms go up to 40K! Sounds amazing!

On Monday, November 24, 2014 2:19:30 AM UTC-5, Kevin Fischer wrote:

Heroes (and Iggy Pop's Lust for Life) is on what.cd, I'd love to find the rest if they are out there.

On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:51:27 PM UTC-8, Sam Edwards wrote:

I would really like to find those original 96/24 files. PM me if you can point me in the right direction on the HB or elsewhere...

On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:47:10 PM UTC-8, Sam Edwards wrote:

I think I've been checking out the ones that have been round tripped to SACD. I'm finding a lot of 88.2 bin masters. Who's share are these versions under? Frankly the sound damn good. It's probably not worth downloading twice. Tons of low end details. Wow!

thanks,

Sam

On Monday, November 17, 2014 5:52:29 AM UTC-8, lokkerman wrote:

The SACD versions were lifted from the Bin masters and these were released on the old Mojave site. The genuine bin masters are actually in PCM – a flat transfer from the original tapes. All of the Bowie's are at 96/24 and are not even cue split; i.e. they are the full album length. Those who know where to look will find:

 

David Bowie - Aladdin Sane 96-24

David Bowie - Diamond Dogs 96-24

David Bowie - Heroes 96-24

David Bowie - Hunky Dory 96-24

David Bowie - Let's Dance 96-24

David Bowie - Lodger 96-24

David Bowie - Low 96-24

David Bowie - Pin-Ups 96-24

David Bowie - Scary Monsters 96-24

David Bowie - Space Oddity 96-24

David Bowie - Station To Station 96-24

David Bowie - The Man Who Sold The World 96-24

David Bowie - Young Americans 96-24

David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust 96-24

 

I know of the provenance and they are genuine.  Undoubtedly some appear to be slightly different mixes but I cannot remember which ones are.

 

 

 

From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT
Sent: 17 November 2014 06:33
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD

 

Hunky Dory sounds pretty good to me

 

From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:sur...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Edwards
Sent: 17 November 2014 4:46 AM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD

 

I'm not currently connected. Which records are they? I ripped all of the Bowie that's on SACD and DVD-A. Are there more tittles here? Worth reconnecting?

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:25:44 PM UTC-8, Timbre4 wrote:

They are bin masters for duplicating tapes. They sound quite good because they are low generation; they are archived to SACD-R so you need to be able to play those.

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