Small UK studios for the DBX masters
From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrej Falout
Sent: 27 November 2014 00:55
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Lokkerman <phil.steeples@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrej
I have a TEAC X1000M reel to reel master deck which is DBX 1 but it won't to DBX monitoring, only playback,
I assume by "DBX monitoring" you mean monitoring recorded signal while recording?
so hence why I toyed with the idea of recording the transfer flat at 15IPS, then playing it back through the DBX to confirm my suspicions
Assuming source is DBX'd then this would definitely work. Obviously, it would also add one tape generation to the result, so i't less desirable then having this passed trough outboard DBX processor. Which will "only" add one generation of DA/AD :)
But it will definitely confirm if DBX was used while recording.
, I have a couple of studio masters recorded DBX
Interesting... in all my career, I never came across a studio master with DBX. Is it from an US studio(s)? Years?
so I am familiar with the companded sound. The problem with this recorder is that it needs to have the DBX recalibrated so it is not ideal and I haven't the time to set all my audio test gear up to do the calibration so the results would only confirm my suspicions.
True. And lets not forget that before calibrating DBX, the machine itself has to be very well calibrated, and for that exact tape that you intend to play back.
My recollection is that I think there are only a couple of masters like this.
Yup :) Funny enough, after DBX started making a version that could be insterted in Dolby A chasis, and clients "inspired" by digital "no tape hiss" possibility started pressuring old analogue recording studios, I've seen a few replace Dolby A cards with DBX instead of Dolby SR (which was far cheaper, and on paper have greater S/N). But NEVER on master recorders, as downstream nobody had DBX (in pressing plants, etc)
Andrej
From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT
Sent: 26 November 2014 08:31
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
My email was in response to Lokks query about plugins for DBX.
I don't profess to be an expert, but I have provided a link to some VST plugins I have already found and downloaded.
My earlier email points to an expander I have used before in Foobar.
The advantage of Foobar is that you can employ the plugin "realtime" via the DSP Manager. The Plugins having first been added to Foobar using:
Components/VST-Plugins first.
Just trying to be helpful, if anyone professes to be more knowledgeable and wants to help Lokks then please share this information.
From: ROBERT [mailto:bobcoogan@hotmail.com]
Sent: 26 November 2014 8:05 AM
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
I do not understand your comments Stephen, do you have helpful information?
From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Disney
Sent: 26 November 2014 1:20 AM
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
I know a lot of this stuff, but really enjoyed the concise reading. Feel free to go on.
S
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:05 PM, ROBERT <bobcoogan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Google tells me an expander is required.
I have lots of VST plugins including expanders in my VST* folders.
One that definitely works in Foobar is Bt Expander Gate by Nomad Factory.
Feel free to have a look as I have linked the VST folders to the h*b.
From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lokkerman
Sent: 25 November 2014 11:07 PM
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
Dead right there. I have a lot of knowledge about these tapes and just like you say some are cut at 20/22/24kHz yet they are from analogue. Also they still sound damn good which is the benefit of a flat transfer. Some sound DBX'd – do you know of a plug-in for DBX? as I have ultimately toyed with recording them flat to analogue R2R and them playing them back with a DBX decoder to see how they should sound?
From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrej Falout
Sent: 25 November 2014 04:35
To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
It seems that a lot of people "diagnose" the source to be Redbook CD, whenever they don't see any sound above 20Khz.
As an mastering (and recording) engineer, I made at least 200 cut/bin/distro master tapes where I intentionally cut anything above 20Khz and below 40Hz or so, to make it cutter-friendly. I have seen many master recorders in studios with hi/lo pass filters permanently patched in. Not to mention Dolby A/SR units with lo-pass filters turned on with a jumper.
Take a bunch of 70's & 80's vinyl records and put them trough your waveform thingy, see how many have anything over 20Khz.
A reminder that until about 1990, I never heard about anyone complaining, or wanting to "hear" audio above 20Khz. FM radio was limited to 15Khz and FM radio was a king - if it did not sound good on FM, you just did not care. Around that time, I first saw what was called a "super-tweeter" for the first time, and thought those folks a bonkers... as did anyone with engineering degree at the time.
It took me at least 5 years to fully understand the impact of this frequencies. But the point is - a lot, if not most, MASTERED tapes, and a lot of studio masters too, will have anything over 20KHz snipped. Just FYI.
Andrej Falout
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:14 PM, citysoundman <bobkirschner1@gmail.com> wrote:
The Heroes and Lust for Life on What appear, from the waveforms, to be from a redbook CD. Waveforms go up to 20KHz and then get cut off. But the user who uploaded those also uploaded Hey Jude from R2R and this is the real thing :) Waveforms go up to 40K! Sounds amazing!
On Monday, November 24, 2014 2:19:30 AM UTC-5, Kevin Fischer wrote:Heroes (and Iggy Pop's Lust for Life) is on what.cd, I'd love to find the rest if they are out there.
On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:51:27 PM UTC-8, Sam Edwards wrote:I would really like to find those original 96/24 files. PM me if you can point me in the right direction on the HB or elsewhere...
On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:47:10 PM UTC-8, Sam Edwards wrote:I think I've been checking out the ones that have been round tripped to SACD. I'm finding a lot of 88.2 bin masters. Who's share are these versions under? Frankly the sound damn good. It's probably not worth downloading twice. Tons of low end details. Wow!
thanks,
Sam
On Monday, November 17, 2014 5:52:29 AM UTC-8, lokkerman wrote:The SACD versions were lifted from the Bin masters and these were released on the old Mojave site. The genuine bin masters are actually in PCM – a flat transfer from the original tapes. All of the Bowie's are at 96/24 and are not even cue split; i.e. they are the full album length. Those who know where to look will find:
David Bowie - Aladdin Sane 96-24
David Bowie - Diamond Dogs 96-24
David Bowie - Heroes 96-24
David Bowie - Hunky Dory 96-24
David Bowie - Let's Dance 96-24
David Bowie - Lodger 96-24
David Bowie - Low 96-24
David Bowie - Pin-Ups 96-24
David Bowie - Scary Monsters 96-24
David Bowie - Space Oddity 96-24
David Bowie - Station To Station 96-24
David Bowie - The Man Who Sold The World 96-24
David Bowie - Young Americans 96-24
David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust 96-24
I know of the provenance and they are genuine. Undoubtedly some appear to be slightly different mixes but I cannot remember which ones are.
From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT
Sent: 17 November 2014 06:33
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
Hunky Dory sounds pretty good to me
From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:sur...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Edwards
Sent: 17 November 2014 4:46 AM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Bowie R2R on SACD
I'm not currently connected. Which records are they? I ripped all of the Bowie that's on SACD and DVD-A. Are there more tittles here? Worth reconnecting?
On Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:25:44 PM UTC-8, Timbre4 wrote:They are bin masters for duplicating tapes. They sound quite good because they are low generation; they are archived to SACD-R so you need to be able to play those.
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