Re: [SurroundSound]

Agreed. If you notice I've only talked back when people attacked my country on this forum I do not believe it is a place for this kind of discussion.

I do find it strange that people feel that America is the big problem here, without Americo he wouldn't have freedom of the press or around the world they wouldn't have freedom and safety around the world and most of the people that are writing these emails would probably have not been born because their ancestors would've been crushed by military forces that America foiled and this is the end of my rant here and I really don't want to talk about it anymore here since most of you people don't seem to appreciate what American has done for the world we have the most diversity of people that any other country on the planet we have more freedoms than any other country on the planet.

I'm not saying that you should bow down and agree with the way we do things I think a little respect needs to be paid and the fact that we've made what you're doing today possible.

Lokks,

Please tell people that they can no longer have these kinds of conversations on a ss posts and go off-topic like this.

Thanks

Late for work now.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:48 AM, "Richard" <zoanne1uk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

This isn't the place for politics or religion

 

If you want to discuss those subjects, please find somewhere else to do it. Here in the UK we had far too much of your election on the TV, i don't want to read about it here

 

 

A couple of things...

1. Paul's political views DO NOT represent a majority of people here in the US, as the recent election made perfectly clear. 

2. I actually agree with Robert, real, and Lokks; the US's stance on Israel is counterproductive and should (finally) be amended, but you see the kind of propaganda and entrenched hatred that has to first be overcome to act accordingly. And Lokks is imminently sensible when talking of the ills of corporate America.

3. I also agree with Stephen that perhaps all this political talk would be best on another forum. I quite enjoy lively political discussions, but I come here for all of  the members' knowledge and passion about music and surround sound, of which there is an abundance. Political views? Not so much.

Just one hopeful American's point of view; take it for what it's worth.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:02 AM, lokkerman <phil.steeples@gmail.com> wrote:

Guys

I probably started this by winding up SS, which is a consequence of
his self rightousness, so I cannot help it.

It's great that we have off piste debate about things we care about.

Couple of things; the USA is a great place with some tremendous poeple
living there. As with all things you may not agree with the
politicians and a capitalist system that once appeared to work but now
appears to be in  favour of greed. It also has some really nasty large
corporations hell bent on squeezing out the last drop, however this
appears to be endemically a global problem and here in the UK we have
our share of this. For example once self (people) owned utility
companies that do nothing but sweat out profit and then ask for us to
invest for them. For the record I do believe that capitalism should
work but we do have to think about the realities of rampant
capitalism, whereupon we are always obssessed  that the solution to
all ills is growth, when we live with  finite resource.

What I am asking though is that we do not slate off the country per se
but the components that you are unhappy with. US citizens have a great
allegiance to their country which is very commendable and take great
offence when you criticise their country. In the UK and perhaps Europe
we normally couldn't care two hoots as we don't look at things from
the same perspective, so culturally do not see the significance.

Second point I've worked in the Middle East but it was the gulf, not
were the conflicts are, but I do feel anything that results in peace
and stability has got to be a good thind, whatever the rhetoric.

On Nov 30, 10:54 am, Robert Coogan <bobcoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What are you talking about?
>
> Non-member status means that Palestine is a tangible and accountable entity
> for the first time., which means they can be (hopefully) prevented from
> terrorist activities, and also protected from violence.
>
> This is part of a democratic process which I would have thought the USA
> would be in favour of.
>
> As far as Israel goes, this is what Benjamin Netenyahu says (from BBC news
> website):
>
> "This is a meaningless decision that will not change anything on the ground.
> Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made it clear that there will be no
> establishment of a Palestinian state without a settlement that ensures the
> security of Israel's citizens... By going to the UN, the Palestinians have
> violated the agreements with Israel and Israel will act accordingly.
>
> I am confused, they say that it will not change anything but then say they
> will act accordingly, Israel is threatening action because Palestine sought
> a democratic resolution from the UN..
>
> I live in the UK where there is free speech, (fairly)  balanced reporting
> and sufficient detachment to see that some countries refuse to condemn any
> actions Israel take, even when they are inexcusable,.
>
> I am not going to respond to any other emails about this, this is an
> important step forward in the peace process, and there is bound to be
> resistance from people who don't like change, sense they might have to lose
> something, and/or are just used to hating "the enemy", or more worryingly
> believe everything they are told on national TV.
>
> I didn't mean to hijack the surround forum to condem USA's overtly
> pro-Israeli stance, but thought it was topical, and as stated previously,
> more important than MP3 love.
>
> From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Paulgarfunkel
> Sent: 30 November 2012 10:03 AM
> To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound]
>
> The United States supports Israel because Israel is right and the nation of
> Palestine is unwavering in its willingness to kill anyone to make its point.
>
> And yes I am unwavering in my belief that redistribution of wealth is wrong
> here. If you like socialism then live in a socialist society.
>
> This nation was built as a capitalist system and those who foster socialist
> ideals, like our current president is what's dragging our economy down.
>
> And these socialistic nations (say China) are allowing our America companies
> (not people) to exploit its natural resources and people.
>
> That's them doing wrong not us.
>
> The fact that Apple and other corporate asshats polute the world is on those
> governments hands. If there were no cheaper labor or looser ecological
> impact guidelines then these corporate types (not all AMERICAN companies)
> would be forced to do the right thing.
>
> And blaming the companies is foolish to. It's like a beautiful woman saying
> to you "make love too me" and you pointing the finger at him for sleeping
> with her. She asked for it and so does china.
>
> Apple could not make its product here because our county has strict
> guidelines on pay and ecological impact.
>
> Companies are always going to act in their own self interest and looking to
> them to make things right is foolish.
>
> Apple is not the only one doing it. Change of subject who does.build
> electronics cleanly and pays a fair wage?
>
> Ok and BTW if the nation of Israel goes down the whole world will feel its
> pain as your nation will be next.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:20 AM, Robert Coogan <bobcoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Steve you are entitled to your opinion on lossy formats.
>
> I don't see why you think you are entitled to claim intellectual superiority
> over people who don't share your love of them.
>
> Your comments are always so uncompromising and unwilling to accept anyone
> else's opinion it becomes the written version of white noise.
>
> Perhaps as an American, you could divert some of these misguided energies to
> canvassing your government to ask why they support Israel in their
> condemnation of Palestine's new status as a non-UN member observer state.
>
> My point being that there are more important things to worry about matey.
>
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