Re: [SurroundSound] Re: Bit Rate Resolution, Sampling Rate, Upsample, and Lossless vs. Lossy ....

On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:50:20 AM UTC-4, zoop wrote:

>> I checked out the results and it looks like actually 2 of 9 got all 4
>> right.

Right, I forgot to check the 'replies' column again.


>> Despite being too small a sample size and lack of rigorous
>> controls, this is a surprising result.  Of course, the sample also
>> included
>> what I assume are ears much more highly trained than the average
>> listener,
>> but it still gives some support for the fact that some audiophiles may
>> be
>> able to distinguish between high and low bit rate and sampling.  It
>> would
>> be interesting to see what controlled experiments have shown about this.
>>  I'm surprised you don't know some of these results-

Surprised I don't know what results?  I'm very aware of what has been
published.

I have never claimed it's impossible to distinguish lossy from lossless --
the specifics here had to do with how easy it is to do it.  There are
people who dismiss outright a lossy DTS (even 96.24) surround version
without a lossless surround, on the basis that they simply will not enjoy  

it.

So- what do the published results say?   

>> this seems like the
>> kind of thing you'd have researched.  I remember first hearing about the
>> euphonic distortion on albums being one reason some prefer vinyl reading
>> one of your amy posts long ago.


Yes, but what has that to do with lossy vs lossless?

Absolutely nothing- just pointing out one example of some of the things I'd learned from reading your posts in the past, since you seem to have a lot of knowledge of the current research, which is why I was surprised you hadn't quoted some research in this thread.  I have heard many people complain about lossy codecs, but I have always maintained that the mix is much more critical.  I'm unsure whether I could hear a difference.  All I know is that I have many DTS and DD sources that sound awesome- to me, on my mid-level system.  I never understood why some get so hung up on the numbers, but then they possibly have better (esp. younger) ears and/or a top-notch system that reveals flaws I cannot hear.

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