[SurroundSound] Re: Convert SACD ISO to individual DSD tracks?

Noreltny
I see your points and understand why you want to do it this way.
Thanks for explaining.
From what I read jrmc may be about to become even more DSD capable.
The developers are keen to have full DSD capability, JRMC may even be
able to play the SACD-r soon.


On Apr 23, 5:08 am, "Noreltny-gmail" <norel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Using the tools August directed me to (thanks again), I generated DSF files
> for each track from the ISO. The reason I did this instead of just playing
> from the ISO is because I can tag the individual DSF files with useful
> information, like artist, album, genre, style, etc., and I can imbed album
> art. I can also have JRMC analyze the song and calculate the intensity,
> beats-per-minute, peak level and replay gain. My whole collection, which
> includes FLAC, lossless WMAs, MP3s and now DSF files are tagged and
> organized with lots of metadata. This metadata is either info downloaded
> from music databases like freedb or AMG, is info I've entered manually, or
> is information generated by JRMC like the calculated song data I just
> mentioned, the date/time the music was added to my library, when the song
> was last played and how many times the song has played, etc. This allows me
> to create all sorts of playlists automatically based on my mood. A lot of
> times, I just like to sit and listen to the whole album. That's why I really
> like the surround recordings. I can sit and relax and feel immersed in
> music. However, other times I'm busy doing other things, so I just want the
> music in the background. Instead of listening to the radio, I can have JRMC
> create a playlist based on any number of criteria. For example, I may be in
> the mood to listen to a combination of prog-rock and jazz fusion that's
> mellow (BPM < 100 and Intensity < 2), and limit it to music I haven't
> listened to for 6 weeks. I can't do that with ISOs. With individual tracks,
> I can listen to the whole album or just a single song from the album.
>
> I also don't like dealing with discs. I rip the disc to my media server and
> then it's stored away for safe keeping. If I really wanted to insert a disc
> every time I listen to something, I'd probably go back to my turntable and
> vinyl albums. At least the album art and liner notes were nice and big. BTW,
> I don't own a universal player like an OPPO. I have a network with several
> PCs. One is a pretty powerful system in my home office that is used for work
> and things like ripping audio/video and photo and video editing. I have a
> couple other PCs dedicated for home entertainment. One is primarily used for
> playing music. It is connected to an external multichannel DAC. The analog
> outputs are paired to amps that provide power to speakers located in
> different rooms in our home. So this is the system used for background
> music. However the DACs are very good (but not DSD capable) when compared to
> the DACs in most mid-priced A/V receivers or consumer PC soundcards. I have
> another very silent PC in our family room connected to a fairly high-end
> setup, which includes a nice 47" HD screen and multichannel audio system.
> This is where I listen to surround recordings. These entertainment PCs are
> quieter then the ambient sound in my house (and I don't have a forced air
> HVAC system - it's hot water radiators), so they work very well for music,
> etc.
>
> To answer your other questions... I don't know if JRMC can play the SACD-R
> ISO, I haven't tried. JRMC can play the DSF files (as can foobar2000). The
> reason I went with DSF files is because they can be tagged and I read
> somewhere that this was the main advantage over DFF, which is the format
> more common for when the DSD is edited in production. I believe JRMC and
> foobar are converting my DSF DSD files to PCM on -the-fly, so I could
> probably just convert and store them as FLACs and they would probably sound
> the same. However, since they sound great as DSF files and they are
> tag-able, I think it makes sense to leave them as DSF in case I get a DSD
> capable DAC in the future.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
>
> On Behalf Of realafrica
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:01 PM
> To: SurroundSound
> Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Convert SACD ISO to individual DSD tracks?
>
> Noreltny
> I really don't understand why you want to make dff or DSF or DSDiFF files
> from the iso to just play in foobar or JRMC.
>  I don't know about the latter, but as foobar plays the iso fine and will
> load all the tracks into the player then why convert the iso, to whatever,
> at all?
> Just use the iso!
> I imagine you want to get JRMC to play these files, but it will not play
> SACD-R iso?
> Does JRMC play DFFs or any kind of DSD file?
> If yes, then this is only useful to you IF you have a DSD capable DAC either
> in your receiver or as an External DAC.
> Without a DSD capable DAC you are wasting your time with DFFs, you might
> just as well convert the iso to flac and play those via JRMC.
>
> On Apr 22, 2:53 am, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > yes no such thing as .dsd.  the dff and dsf are on the iso proper so
> > yes the software would have to read both by nature although individual
> > playback of dff or dsf on standalone sacd players is elusive.  Yes you
> > are correct it is just extracting info from the iso to tag ect.  It
> > also allows for direct dsd playback with proper equipment which
> > 99.999999 percent of us do not have.
>
> > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Noreltny-gmail <norel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I don't know what I was doing wrong before, but I am able to import
> > > and play the DSF (both stereo and multichannel) with FRMC17 and
> > > foobar2000. My mistake earlier, was that I thought I needed to
> > > convert the DSF or DFF files to DSD. There is no such thing as a file
> with a DSD extension.
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but what the utility is really doing is
> > > converting the tracks from the ISO into DSD files and letting me
> > > chose either DFF or DSF. With the DSF being more appealing because
> > > of tagging, etc.****
>
> > > ** **
>
> > > Again, thanks for your help.****
>
> > > ** **
>
> > > *From:* surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > > surroundsound@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *August Bleed
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 21, 2012 5:18 PM
>
> > > *To:* surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] Convert SACD ISO to individual DSD
> > > tracks?*
> > > ***
>
> > > ** **
>
> > > DFF files are also DSD.  One is a compression scheme so they could
> > > fit 5.1 material, stereo DSD, and CD layer on the same disc.  The
> > > other is uncompressed DSD.  They use this for SHM-SACDs that are
> > > stereo and for the stereo layer generally.  The MC one I believe has
> > > better tagging and support.  You sound like you are generating the
> > > right files.  It does give you a choice.  Again it's really a matter
> > > of your hardware after you get the files.****
>
> > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:*
> > > ***
>
> > > dsf files are DSD.  If you have a capable USB dac it will play natively.
> > >  Otherwise if you play it from software it will convert to PCM no
> > > MATTER WHAT.  You must burn the iso to a disc if you dont have a usb
> > > dac that is dsd capable (there are a grand total of 2).  But you got
> > > what you were supposed to get.  DSF files are DSD files.  If you
> > > can't play them you don't have a usb capable DAC.  That's all.
> > > These are absolutely DSD files you are creating.****
>
> > > ** **
>
> > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Noreltny-gmail <norel...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:****
>
> > > Thanks for the info.****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > I've almost got it figured out, but not quite. I'm having trouble
> > > converting the DSF files to DSD and I'd post a comment on their
> > > website, but it won't currently let me post comments or replies. So,
> > > I'll ask here in case someone in this group has experience with
> > > this.****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > Here's the link to the thread that August is referring to:****
>
> > >http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/SACD-ripping-using-your-PS3...
> > > ****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > Here's a link to the project page, which includes links to download
> > > the
> > > utilities:****
>
> > > Project home:http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/****
>
> > > Download
> > > page:http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/downloads/list****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > I downloaded the file 'sacd_extract_0.3.6_WIN32.zip' and extracted
> > > it into a folder that I named "sacdrip'. I copied my SACD ISO file
> > > into this directory so it would be easier to work with from a
> > > command line prompt.**
> > > **
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > I couldn't find his PDF guide anywhere. If you have a link, I'd
> > > really appreciate getting a copy. He does have a link to the
> > > instructions, which are
> > > here:http://sacd-ripper.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/readme.****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > I'd use the BAT files, but they don't appear to be of any help in my
> > > situation. I followed the instructions in the readme and just tried
> > > extracting/converting from the command line. Here's the steps I
> > > followed:*
> > > ***
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > 1: From the start menu, I typed "CMD" into the command box (or
> > > whatever it's called). This brings up the command window.****
>
> > > 2. From the prompt in the command, I navigated to the "sacdrip"
> > > directory where I extracted the file 'sacd_extract.exe'.****
>
> > > 3. The instructions include a list of command options and a few
> examples.
> > > I tried following the examples. First, here's the list of available
> options:
> > > ****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > Usage: sacd_extract [options] [outfile]****
>
> > >   -2, --2ch-tracks                : Export two channel tracks
> > > (default)***
> > > *
>
> > >   -m, --mch-tracks                : Export multi-channel tracks****
>
> > >   -e, --output-dsdiff-em          : output as Philips DSDIFF (Edit
> > > Master)
> > > file****
>
> > >   -p, --output-dsdiff             : output as Philips DSDIFF
> > > file****
>
> > >   -s, --output-dsf                : output as Sony DSF file****
>
> > >   -I, --output-iso                : output as RAW ISO****
>
> > >   -c, --convert-dst               : convert DST to DSD****
>
> > >   -C, --export-cue
>
> ...
>
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