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Wednesday, November 23, 2011

[SurroundSound] Re: Some homemade DTS for enjoyment

New MIX

● Simon and Garfunkel - April Come She Will (DTS 5.1)
http://www.4shared.com/audio/NSOUmfPe/April_Come_She_Will__DTS_51__M.html

Ambient sound and guitar with more clarity

I love this song .. This song makes me feel good
reminds me of nature .. forest .. hehehe

On 19 nov, 17:26, Brian Treml <britre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> May I suggest we get tracks;
>
> America
>
> Overs
>
> Old Friends
>
> At The Zoo
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> Punky's Deilema
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> Cloudy
>
> Dangling Conversation
>
> Homeward Bound
>
> Poem On The Underground Wall
>
> On Nov 19, 1:02 pm, MarioBR <dts5.1surro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All files are DTS 5.1 but they are Quadraphonic 4.1
>
> > ● Simon andGarfunkel- The Sun Is Burning (DTS 5.1) NEW MIXhttp://www.4shared.com/audio/F5xNJjGk/The_Sun_Is_Burning__DTS_51__Mi....
>
> > ● Simon andGarfunkel- Fakin It (DTS 5.1) NEW MIXhttp://www.4shared.com/audio/fgffxPRh/Fakin_It__DTS_51__Mixed_by_Mar....
>
> > ● Simon andGarfunkel- Save The Life Of My Child (DTS 5.1)http://www.4shared.com/audio/1v1nPbCm/Save_The_Life_Of_My_Child__DTS....
>
> > ● Simon andGarfunkel- Patterns (DTS 5.1)http://www.4shared.com/audio/h6tupGj2/Patterns__DTS_51__Mixed_by_Mar....
>
> > ● Simon andGarfunkel- The 59th Street Bridge Song (DTS 5.1)http://www.4shared.com/audio/0BPLOV_R/The_Street_Bridge_Song__Feelin....
>
> > Listen and tell me what you think ok
>
> > On 19 nov, 15:55, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Actually a great essay from both of you.  I basically went to wiki and read
> > > through the history although it is unfortunately kinda scant on some
> > > details, and bit technical with others so it was hard to get.  I actually
> > > got a lot more from you guys and these explanations than anything I got
> > > doing quite a bit of research on the interwebs.  I went over to the QQ site
> > > actually and tried to find what I could there.  There were a lot of
> > > technical things to be said for sure but not much that I guess I felt I got
> > > in the way of an education.  In fact most of the folks on there were raving
> > > about that PF album (?!?!) which surprises me as I was told that this was
> > > one of the older quad sites out there and that it was (perhaps once) filled
> > > with lots of former studio guys and such who knew their stuff.  Apparently
> > > they were not out en masse on the day the blu ray came out?  I definitely
> > > get that surround is not just things flying all around you. Although I like
> > > the flaming lips I found their albums a bit busy in that respect in that
> > > there was so much going on sonically that it became hard to focus on any
> > > particular sound...one sound panning one direction, another panning in a
> > > different direction...sort of like the phasing thing you brought up...they
> > > sorta cancel each other out.  YMMV of course.  I encountered what I believe
> > > to be a fake surround album all by myself!  The new Nick Cave and The Bad
> > > Seeds Boatman's Call (one of my favorites by him) was recently turned into
> > > a 5.1 travesty.  Beautiful album.  The better resolution works and nick is
> > > clearly more audible.  However it's been dolbyized.  Sounds as someone
> > > stated like it was made in the box.  There is virtually no information in
> > > the rears but an echoey sound.  Nothing discrete whatsoever.  Very
> > > disappointed.  Another thing I didn't waste money on thank goodness before
> > > I heard it.  If anyone has heard or knows of this one would you mind
> > > confirming my suspicions?  WYWH was a bit more of a challenge for me
> > > determining its genuineness.  I think the quad version was the thing that
> > > hammered the discreteness home but I had a harder time hearing it at first
> > > than some of you.  Must be learning something!  I kept thinking I put the
> > > wrong mix on as the phantom center on the quad was so strong I thought the
> > > center had to be on!  Thanks to you guys for taking the time to help me
> > > understand this stuff.  Great reads.
>
> > > On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Brian Treml <britre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > We need to send this definition over to the QQ guys so they understand
> > > > the term fake. A perfect explanation however. You can use the software
> > > > mentioned or others like it to create surround sound in the box
> > > > regardless of if it is a stereo or quad master or the methods I
> > > > mentioned by old schooling it analog through a home decoder. I in fact
> > > > have a sample of this method available of some modern rock I upmixed
> > > > simply because of some cool phasing effect in the tracks.
>
> > > > Just to be ahead of you, phasing problems occur when you have a
> > > > negative signal in the rear and positive in the front. They tend to
> > > > cancel each other out. The trick is to have your positive signal
> > > > placed in the field where you want it and increase the amplitude to
> > > > make it appear from the intended direction. The very basis of SQ and
> > > > QS quad reproduction. True surround sound creates imaging using
> > > > discrete elements. You may have the same information in all 5 channels
> > > > if you want the vocal or such to appear dead center in the room or
> > > > never vary from the sweet spot. Typically however surround is made to
> > > > have the listener in a single place called the sweet spot *(stereo has
> > > > this also) and use the same principals as in stereo mixing to create a
> > > > well imaged surround experience. This does not mean bouncing sounds or
> > > > swirling things around trhe room like ping pong balls, it means
> > > > creating an image with discrete elements. That is where the 5.1
> > > > Guthrie mix is fake. He basically unwrapped it and created a mix that
> > > > has no imaging, no discrete elements, and no sweet spot for that
> > > > matter.
>
> > > > In any case, a great essay from the citysoundman
>
> > > > On Nov 18, 11:30 pm, citysoundman <bobkirschn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > To me, an upmix is really a fake surround mix, although there's
> > > > > definitely a need for it.
>
> > > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > > Citysoundman
>
> > > > > On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Im not sure if this is the place to ask this question but someone
> > > > brought
> > > > > > this up on my can posting that they recorded direct to stereo so we'd
> > > > never
> > > > > > see 5.1.  Though they used some multitracks after the first couple
> > > > > > albums...but aren't all albums basically created for stereo?
> > > >  Certainly not
> > > > > > every album...I get that.  But what is the difference between one
> > > > stereo
> > > > > > recording and the next that would make it eligible for a 5.1 mix?
> > > > > >  Presumably all masters are stereo right?  Is it the multitrack
> > > > information
> > > > > > that is needed to create the different channels?  I guess I am not
> > > > > > understanding when something is an upmix and when it is considered
> > > > discrete
> > > > > > as such.  I got some education from the PF discussion we had...but I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > I am a bit unclear what constitutes the difference.  Can anyone
> > > > explain or
> > > > > > point me in the direction for an explanation?  I get a bit confused
> > > > when
> > > > > > someone says something can't be made multichannel because there are
> > > > only
> > > > > > particular masters available.  What exactly does one need to produce
> > > > > > something that isn't an upmix?  I mean isn't all MC basically an
> > > > upmix?!?!?
> > > > > >  Sorry if this question sounds silly to some of you....
>
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Stephen Disney <
> > > > sthunderroc...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > He's not upmixing.
> > > > > > > S
>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:19 PM, ROBERT COOGAN <
> > > > bobcoo...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> Hi again Mario
>
> > > > > > >> Do you possibly have an upmix of Déjà Vu  -the Crosby, Stills, Nash
> > > > &
> > > > > > >> Young album?
>
> > > > > > >> Regards
>
> > > > > > >> Rob
> > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- From: MarioBR
> > > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:45 PM
> > > > > > >> To: SurroundSound
> > > > > > >> Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Some homemade DTS for enjoyment
>
> > > > > > >> Here are my New Mix (Song Fakin It) Nice Surround
>
> > > > > > >> I worked with some of the music duo Simon andGarfunkel
> > > > > > >> and I had the idea to do Quadraphonic Surround mixing
> > > > > > >> That You Never Heard Before
>
> > > > > > >> Maybe we will have an SACD album for the future (Super Audio CD)
>
> > > > > > >> Listen and tell me what you think ok
>
> > > > > > >> All files are DTS 5.1 but they are Quadraphonic 4.1
>
> > > > > > >> Are only four songs for tasting in your Home Theater System
>
> > > > > > >> ● Simon andGarfunkel- Fakin It (DTS 5.1) NEW MIX
> > > > > > >>http://www.4shared.com/audio/**fgffxPRh/Fakin_It__DTS_51__**
> > > > > > >> Mixed_by_Mar.html<
> > > >http://www.4shared.com/audio/fgffxPRh/Fakin_It__DTS_51__Mixed_by_Mar....>
>
> > > > > > >> ● Simon andGarfunkel- Save The Life Of My Child (DTS 5.1)
> > > > > > >>http://www.4shared.com/audio/**1v1nPbCm/Save_The_Life_Of_My_**
> > > > > > >> Child__DTS.html<
> > > >http://www.4shared.com/audio/1v1nPbCm/Save_The_Life_Of_My_Child__DTS....>
>
> > > > > > >> ● Simon andGarfunkel- Patterns (DTS 5.1)
> > > > > > >>http://www.4shared.com/audio/**h6tupGj2/Patterns__DTS_51__**
> > > > > > >> Mixed_by_Mar.html<
> > > >http://www.4shared.com/audio/h6tupGj2/Patterns__DTS_51__Mixed_by_Mar....>
>
> > > > > > >> Thank you
>
> > > > > > >> On 15 nov, 17:19, Jack Dawson Sparrow <trux...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>> He published the same mail several times because he was fixing a
> > > > problem
> > > > > > >>> with the first music (the links change in every email). But he
> > > > should
> > > > > > >>> tell
> > > > > > >>> it on the subject, or better yet, to post on the hub just after
> > > > testing
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>> links and mixes.
>
> > > > > > >>> But it's really nice to see people excited in doing homemade 5.1
> > > > mixes,
> > > > > > >>> because the industry is not pretty much interested.
>
> > > > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Riky <rjdod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> > Guys i think there's a little language barrier problem here
> > > > between >
> > > > > > >>> mario
> > > > > > >>> > n us.. I gotta feeling he's not even getting the proper msg, wat
> > > > > > >>> others > are
> > > > > > >>> > trying
>
> ...
>
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