prevalent, especially for audio-only BD's. I happen to think Steven
Wilson's mixes are among the best, but then he has very little
competition these days, doesn't he? Lack of surround info in the
rears? I've listened to his work as much as anyone in the last few
years, and that's not my belief. He does tend to de-emphasize the
center channel and spread vocals across the front channels, instead of
all of the vocals contained within the center channel. This is a
mixing style that I prefer.
On Nov 22, 7:23 pm, Brian Treml <britre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong but I beleive the Grace For Drowning, Tull
> Aqualung and Porcupine tree releases are all the work of Steve Wilson?
> And I think the point that was made is all those titles have little or
> no surround info in the rears and Center channel except echo? Correct?
>
> To support the original posters position, first BD offers enormous
> potential to have music transfered in the best possible format and
> clarity. Most engineers and producers these days understand that
> aspect, but most mastering people and AR people do not. Make it loud
> and it better sound good on my dinky iPhone headphones, or in my car
> and overcome any backround noise by boosting everything so it will
> even overcome a long flight across country without noise cancelling.
> So with that in mind, what good would BD and it's superior potential
> be?
>
> Second, Surround Sound. While it is reasonable to assume a live
> concert or a classical peice may only have echo in the rear and an
> occasional effect in the center channel, studio music should not and
> is a waste of time and expense if it is not. Why would a person want
> to pay and be happy to pay 6X the amount of a stereo CD to get the
> same sound they could achieve with the recievers built in decoder or a
> cheap expander? No, we expect to have creativity. We expect to sit in
> that sweet spot and be wowed by sound that comes around you, envelopes
> and involves. Echo does not involve except to create a bigger room.
> Putting the same info in all channels and using volume logic to create
> sound that seems to surround you no matter where you are in the room
> (or out of the room for that matter) also is not what we are paying
> for here. It also like I stated does not use the full potential we can
> achieve with BD. That is 7+ clear channels of clear studio quality
> information if mixed right comes together in a image and gives you
> chills. This with no compression, loss of fidelity, no reason to boost
> low level signals to be heard over backround noise, and no need to
> limit S/N because there is no need to. You are listening in a quiet,
> well tuned room to hear everything you wish to hear without doing
> something else. That is the failing we are seeing.
> A perfect example of that in the stereo relm is the new Florence and
> The Machine Ceremonials. A gal with a voice like that needs no
> boosting. Yet we are trated to a CD that if played on a good system is
> rendered unlistenable and overloads any level inputs to distortion. On
> the iPod and the clock radio it sounds awfully good and loud though.
>
> I will say in closing we might see improvement in Steven Wilson starts
> mastering the discs as well and we get a direct composition of his
> work. I personally believe with the exception of the King Crimson
> Redo's (which he admitted Robert Fripp made him listen to while
> mixing) it is done in the box and never actually listened to until us
> folks get it and what was mixed is heard in an analog fashion. Choose
> to disagee with me, but his work on the Aqualung Album ferrets that
> out. If that had been listened too, none of the fading erros, noise
> reduction mishaps, and echo only in the rears would have occured.
> Compare that to the Discipline 5.1 mix and it is a night and day
> difference from the same guy. Hopefully thats 2 cents worth.
>
> On Nov 22, 12:29 pm, scolumbo <sacolu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > If you think PT Anesthetize, David Gilmour Remember That Night, or
> > Talking Heads Stop Making Sense are all second-rate concert footage,
> > then I guess there's no sense arguing with you. I'm glad I have these
> > BD's in my collection. Add Grace for Drowning, which is superb on BD,
> > and those alone would be worth the price of a cheap BD player. The
> > fact that you can also use it to play high-quality BD video, like
> > Baraka or musicals for instance, is a bonus.
>
> > No doubt there's a dearth of new surround titles but that's true of
> > every format. The problem is not with BD as a format, but the big
> > music labels don't believe there is a market for surround except
> > concerts or recycling a few mega titles. Thankfully, we have Steven
> > Wilson and a handful of artists continuing to release surround
> > material. Steven Wilson, by the way, has already stated that he has
> > switched to BD for new releases.
>
> > On Nov 22, 3:50 am, HiRezAudio <neilwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah - yet more second-rate concert footage.
> > > Whoop-de-do.
> > > For actual audio BD titles, the selection is still very thin on the
> > > ground indeed & likely to remain that way.
> > > Blu-Ray is ten times as complex as DVD to author, with very expensive
> > > mandatory copy protection systems making authoring difficult &
> > > therefore expensive.
>
> > > The titles I know of that are not concert films (I get so bored with
> > > these, most of the 5.1 mixes are what I term "big stereo" and very
> > > little to do with proper 5.1
> > > having content in L/R, often nothing in the centre & a bloody reverb
> > > in the rears) are:
> > > Steven Wilson's "Grace For Drowning"
> > > Tom Petty's "Mojo" & "Damn the Torpedoes"
> > > Pink Floyd's DSOTM & WYWH (although these should not really count as
> > > they are not available as standalone items)
> > > Tull's "Aqualung" (same problem)
>
> > > The Neil Young are stereo only, and stereo is where most of it will
> > > doubtless remain too.
> > > Sadly.
>
> > > On Nov 21, 8:56 pm, "Noreltny-gmail" <norel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > There's a bunch of music/concerts on Blu-ray. Just do a filtered search on
> > > > Amazon. I have the following films/concerts on Blu-ray:
>
> > > > Michael Buble' - Meets Madison Square Garden
> > > > Yes - Live At Montreux 2003
> > > > The Who - Live at the Isle of Wight Festival 1970
> > > > Sting - Live In Berlin
> > > > Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band - London Calling
> > > > The Band - The Last Waltz (A Martin Scorsese Film)
> > > > Jeff Beck - Live at Ronnie Scott's
> > > > Schumann: Piano Concerto - Symphony No. 4
> > > > Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense
> > > > John Meyer - Where the Light Is, Live in Los Angeles
>
> > > > I hope we see a lot more in the future.
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
>
> > > > On Behalf Of ArnoldLayne
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:10 PM
> > > > To: SurroundSound
> > > > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Audio on Blu-Ray
>
> > > > There is also calssical music and opera, though those releases can be quite
> > > > pricey. We have also seen some concert movies with extraordinary sound
> > > > quality, for instance Porcupine Tree - Anesthesia. There is even some Nordic
> > > > folk music from 2L and associates. And of course a couple of Tom Petty
> > > > albums. My impression is that there is a mall but steady stream f BD audio.
> > > > By now you can either get a BD player or DIY- convert the few existing
> > > > titles to DVD-A and it's not impossible that things will remain like that
> > > > for years ahead. But a BD player is quite convenient to avoid the need for
> > > > conversions. There are also plenty of bd models that provides SACD-R
> > > > playback.
>
> > > > ..ehrrr... what am i saying'?... There's never enought gear, dude. Get it
> > > > right away! :-)
>
> > > > On 21 nov, 18:43, MrMalice <MrMalic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I'm trying to decide if I should purchase a Blu-Ray player. I'm aware
> > > > > of Steven Wilson's releases on BR, and the recent Rush Moving Pictures
> > > > > and the Floyd boxes. Are there other audio releases on BR that would
> > > > > justify the purchase of a player?
>
> > > > > I am not a movie guy - so there's no reason for me to purchase a
> > > > > player to watch movies. I also don't watch concerts too often after
> > > > > the initial viewing.
>
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