On 6 jul, 00:08, realafrica <paul.gam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please explain how people are not able to join the hub.
> I'm thinking....if I can join, any one can join the hub. What's
> preventing them, that we have to consider alern
> atives for them?
>
> On 5 July, 19:26, "Lokkerman" <phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So far my feelings are that where it is, it is relatively expensive and I'm
> > thinking that for a about $5-6 dollars probably slightly more for each of
> > us, maybe as high as $10 as a one off, we can pay for 2 years of un-hindered
> > service. That equates to less half a dollar a month. One of the things I
> > can't do is keeping asking for more, and keep coming back so it has to be
> > almost final, i.e. a joining fee towards the cost of the hub.
> > It also means we have to get it sorted ASAP.
> > We also at the same time need to be thinking about how we address the guys
> > that cannot join the hub via OD's forum as it looks like RS has bounced that
> > totally out of touch.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
>
> > On Behalf Of realafrica
> > Sent: 05 July 2010 18:08
> > To: SurroundSound
> > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>
> > Every one needs to realise that every word on this Google Group is
> > potentially public to any who use Google.
>
> > On 5 July, 18:03, realafrica <paul.gam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The hub is extremely sloooooooooooow as people have commented. The
> > > speed depends as much on the file host's up speed as it does on the
> > > receiver's down speed.
> > > So any thing that can be done to speed up downloads by making them
> > > independent of the upper's speed would be a general improvement, but
> > > this would mean a very radical change to the way the hub is at the
> > > moment. FTP server or whatever, wherever, would mean that we all would
> > > have to FTP into the server or website to 'UP' our contributions.
>
> > > This is might be problematical:
> > > 1) Not all hubbers (future hubbers) are used to doing FTP or whatever
> > > uploads.
> > > 2) If we have 50 or more individuals wanting to get into the server to
> > > 'UP' their files 27/7/365 that seems like asking for bottlenecks
> > > and all kinds of issues.
> > > 3) It will be a big change from the way things work now
> > > 4) We could lose much of the community spirit that to me is very
> > > precious.
> > > 5) All files would be on this remote server and no longer 'shares' on
> > > individual's HDD's.
>
> > > An immediate fix to the problem of where / how to host the hub would
> > > seem to be to keep it where it is and contribute a bit towards it's
> > > cost.
> > > THEN over the next however-long-it-takes we can discuss and decide
> > > what changes to make and how to implement those changes.
> > > A dedicated website on the darknet might be the best option, but then
> > > we have to consider bandwidth costs etc..
> > > With the current political climate re sharing we might be better to
> > > keep a low profile rather than promote ourselves as we have done so
> > > far. i e via Google.
>
> > > On 5 July, 15:02, Joe <qwerty110...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hello, I've been trying to get on the hub to no avail. I've spent
> > > > quite sometime figuring out the problem with Ptokax. I've tried all
> > > > the possible google solutions. I downloaded Ptokax and enabled
> > > > "don't check ip" on profiles. I'm tired configuring. I'll go back to
> > > > blogs and forums. Goodluck with you all as I have read some of the
> > changes in your HUB.
>
> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Lokkerman <phil.steep...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > One thing to add to this, is that I have considered that another
> > > > > member or myself could host the hub. Technically it does not appear
> > difficult.
> > > > > What I am having problems with is that this does not mitigate for
> > > > > any personal problems (work, life, new vocations lol. etc) and it
> > > > > does not offer any form of contingency in case of any issues.
> > > > > I am therefore looking at a fully transparent (technically,
> > > > > operationally and financially) solution but also whilst at it
> > > > > taking the opportunity to create a broader service and include
> > > > > work by such archivists such as Richard.
> > > > > Please keep the comments flowing.
>
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > > > > surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Jazzer
> > > > > Sent: 05 July 2010 12:46
> > > > > To: SurroundSound
> > > > > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>
> > > > > I agree with grill, realafrica and others that ideally it would be
> > > > > great if someone was to step up to the plate and provide a "free"
> > > > > solution to the other members. That's easy for me to suggest as I
> > > > > have neither the technical or financial means to offer this, but
> > > > > in the meantime I would be happy to chip in for a subscription to
> > > > > the hub for as long as it takes.
>
> > > > > On Jul 5, 12:30 pm, mugs <mug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I agree with everyone that a fee is not really an issue for me.
> > > > > > I am more than willing to pitch in. I do however like the idea
> > > > > > of something a bit faster for instance the ftp server if set up
> > > > > > properly could be faster. Or there are other ideas out there as
> > > > > > well. Some dont have the bandwidth to accomplish fast downloads
> > > > > > on their own but if the files were somewhere else(ftp etc) the
> > > > > > bandwidth would only be limited by the server speed and
> > > > > > bandwidth of THAT connection. I am still paying for giganews so
> > > > > > for me a fee isnt really an issue. I realize that some are not
> > > > > > in that position and I may not be at some point. I will pretty much
> > agree with whatever is decided.
>
> > > > > > On Jul 5, 3:01 am, burning panda <peter.p.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > As per the above comments. If there's ultimately the need for
> > > > > > > fee/ subscription then i've no probs with that.
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 5, 2:35 pm, Paul Garfunkel <paulgarfun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Well as lovely as the hub is, I find it very slow. So if we
> > > > > > > > were to find a better and faster option the costs should be
> > > > > > > > worth the
> > > > > price.
> > > > > > > > It would be just like the qps days!
>
> > > > > > > > On 7/5/10, Huckamazoo <Huckama...@alumni.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > It looks like in the short run we can BUY some time. So
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > stress.
> > > > > > > > > I'm in as well. Long term that could become a logistics
> > > > > > > > > nightmare for the one collecting. PayPal would be easy to
> > > > > > > > > send
> > > > > money.
> > > > > > > > > LOKKS what ever you need.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:38 pm, ceplas...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> I'm not even sure if I have access to the hub, as I
> > > > > > > > >> haven't had much time to download and listen to stuff
> > > > > > > > >> since the Mojave days. However, if there's a way to do it
> > > > > > > > >> with Paypal, I will
> > > > > happily donate a few bucks to the hub.
> > > > > > > > >> -CP
>
> > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >> From: Mark <m...@iinet.net.au>
> > > > > > > > >> To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> > > > > > > > >> Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:09 pm
> > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Home For The Hub
>
> > > > > > > > >> I agree with Paul Garfunkel, realafrica and ted_B.
>
> > > > > > > > >> For the short term a small donation by those of us
> > > > > > > > >> willing to do so should be considered.
> > > > > > > > >> This would enable us to keep the hub on it's current
> > > > > > > > >> server for a month or two until a long term solution is
> > found.
>
> > > > > > > > >> Quite frankly, in my short time here The Hub has become
> > > > > > > > >> the single most important thing in my online life.
>
> > > > > > > > >> I also like the idea of a members only ftp server for
> > > > > > > > >> those who cannot 'hub'.
>
> > > > > > > > >> beet.
>
> > > > > > > > >> On 5/07/2010 2:24 AM, Paul Garfunkel wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > I see no problem in a subscription based hub. Most of
> > > > > > > > >> > us have been paying for rapidshare and that has not
> > > > > > > > >> > worked out so well and this way we would have no outside
> > interference.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > We could get better service and speed.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > On 7/4/10, Lokkerman<phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> Thanks Grill
> > > > > > > > >> >> I will note your comments
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >> >> From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> > > > > > > > >> >> [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
> > > > > > > > >> >> On Behalf Of grill
> > > > > > > > >> >> Sent: 04 July 2010 14:02
> > > > > > > > >> >> To: SurroundSound
> > > > > > > > >> >> Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> Lokks, as I posted before I'm not able to host the
> > > > > > > > >> >> Hub. In addition, I'm not competent in Apex stuffs at all.
> > > > > > > > >> >> Nevertheless, if necessary I'd temporarily spend a
> > > > > > > > >> >> small amount of money to help keep the Hub running,
> > > > > > > > >> >> However, imo all of us would most appreciate a free
> > > > > > > > >> >> (or an almost free) solution.
> > > > > > > > >> >> Anyway, one
> > > > > > > > >> >> or some of us should step up and take care of everything.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> On júl. 4, 12:23, "Lokkerman"<phil.steep...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >>> Guys
>
> > > > > > > > >> >>> That was a sad day yesterday and all I can say is
> > > > > > > > >> >>> good luck
> > > > > Glen.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >>> Obviously I know Glen quite well and I do know that
> > > > > > > > >> >>> what he is about to do is his vocation. Glen has a
> > > > > > > > >> >>> unique opportunity and the talent and so seriously
>
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