+1 For a voluntary member contribution.
+1 For keep using The Hub with the current system (I know it's slow,
but I love the chat and I think it helps a lot at building friendship
and sharing quick knowledge with other hubbers. Consider the Lokks
WYWH release, I was downloading it from 6 hubbers and it was a FAST
download)
-1 For using a FTP (I don't think any provider will agree to have
copyrighted material in their hosted files, so it will not last in the
long term)
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Lokkerman <phil.steeples@gmail.com> wrote:
> So far my feelings are that where it is, it is relatively expensive and I'm
> thinking that for a about $5-6 dollars probably slightly more for each of
> us, maybe as high as $10 as a one off, we can pay for 2 years of un-hindered
> service. That equates to less half a dollar a month. One of the things I
> can't do is keeping asking for more, and keep coming back so it has to be
> almost final, i.e. a joining fee towards the cost of the hub.
> It also means we have to get it sorted ASAP.
> We also at the same time need to be thinking about how we address the guys
> that cannot join the hub via OD's forum as it looks like RS has bounced that
> totally out of touch.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of realafrica
> Sent: 05 July 2010 18:08
> To: SurroundSound
> Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>
> Every one needs to realise that every word on this Google Group is
> potentially public to any who use Google.
>
> On 5 July, 18:03, realafrica <paul.gam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The hub is extremely sloooooooooooow as people have commented. The
>> speed depends as much on the file host's up speed as it does on the
>> receiver's down speed.
>> So any thing that can be done to speed up downloads by making them
>> independent of the upper's speed would be a general improvement, but
>> this would mean a very radical change to the way the hub is at the
>> moment. FTP server or whatever, wherever, would mean that we all would
>> have to FTP into the server or website to 'UP' our contributions.
>>
>> This is might be problematical:
>> 1) Not all hubbers (future hubbers) are used to doing FTP or whatever
>> uploads.
>> 2) If we have 50 or more individuals wanting to get into the server to
>> 'UP' their files 27/7/365 that seems like asking for bottlenecks
>> and all kinds of issues.
>> 3) It will be a big change from the way things work now
>> 4) We could lose much of the community spirit that to me is very
>> precious.
>> 5) All files would be on this remote server and no longer 'shares' on
>> individual's HDD's.
>>
>> An immediate fix to the problem of where / how to host the hub would
>> seem to be to keep it where it is and contribute a bit towards it's
>> cost.
>> THEN over the next however-long-it-takes we can discuss and decide
>> what changes to make and how to implement those changes.
>> A dedicated website on the darknet might be the best option, but then
>> we have to consider bandwidth costs etc..
>> With the current political climate re sharing we might be better to
>> keep a low profile rather than promote ourselves as we have done so
>> far. i e via Google.
>>
>> On 5 July, 15:02, Joe <qwerty110...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello, I've been trying to get on the hub to no avail. I've spent
>> > quite sometime figuring out the problem with Ptokax. I've tried all
>> > the possible google solutions. I downloaded Ptokax and enabled
>> > "don't check ip" on profiles. I'm tired configuring. I'll go back to
>> > blogs and forums. Goodluck with you all as I have read some of the
> changes in your HUB.
>>
>> > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Lokkerman <phil.steep...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > > One thing to add to this, is that I have considered that another
>> > > member or myself could host the hub. Technically it does not appear
> difficult.
>> > > What I am having problems with is that this does not mitigate for
>> > > any personal problems (work, life, new vocations lol. etc) and it
>> > > does not offer any form of contingency in case of any issues.
>> > > I am therefore looking at a fully transparent (technically,
>> > > operationally and financially) solution but also whilst at it
>> > > taking the opportunity to create a broader service and include
>> > > work by such archivists such as Richard.
>> > > Please keep the comments flowing.
>>
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> > > surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
>> > > On Behalf Of Jazzer
>> > > Sent: 05 July 2010 12:46
>> > > To: SurroundSound
>> > > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>>
>> > > I agree with grill, realafrica and others that ideally it would be
>> > > great if someone was to step up to the plate and provide a "free"
>> > > solution to the other members. That's easy for me to suggest as I
>> > > have neither the technical or financial means to offer this, but
>> > > in the meantime I would be happy to chip in for a subscription to
>> > > the hub for as long as it takes.
>>
>> > > On Jul 5, 12:30 pm, mugs <mug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > I agree with everyone that a fee is not really an issue for me.
>> > > > I am more than willing to pitch in. I do however like the idea
>> > > > of something a bit faster for instance the ftp server if set up
>> > > > properly could be faster. Or there are other ideas out there as
>> > > > well. Some dont have the bandwidth to accomplish fast downloads
>> > > > on their own but if the files were somewhere else(ftp etc) the
>> > > > bandwidth would only be limited by the server speed and
>> > > > bandwidth of THAT connection. I am still paying for giganews so
>> > > > for me a fee isnt really an issue. I realize that some are not
>> > > > in that position and I may not be at some point. I will pretty much
> agree with whatever is decided.
>>
>> > > > On Jul 5, 3:01 am, burning panda <peter.p.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > As per the above comments. If there's ultimately the need for
>> > > > > fee/ subscription then i've no probs with that.
>>
>> > > > > On Jul 5, 2:35 pm, Paul Garfunkel <paulgarfun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > Well as lovely as the hub is, I find it very slow. So if we
>> > > > > > were to find a better and faster option the costs should be
>> > > > > > worth the
>> > > price.
>> > > > > > It would be just like the qps days!
>>
>> > > > > > On 7/5/10, Huckamazoo <Huckama...@alumni.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > It looks like in the short run we can BUY some time. So
>> > > > > > > don't
>> > > stress.
>> > > > > > > I'm in as well. Long term that could become a logistics
>> > > > > > > nightmare for the one collecting. PayPal would be easy to
>> > > > > > > send
>> > > money.
>> > > > > > > LOKKS what ever you need.
>>
>> > > > > > > On Jul 4, 7:38 pm, ceplas...@aol.com wrote:
>> > > > > > >> I'm not even sure if I have access to the hub, as I
>> > > > > > >> haven't had much time to download and listen to stuff
>> > > > > > >> since the Mojave days. However, if there's a way to do it
>> > > > > > >> with Paypal, I will
>> > > happily donate a few bucks to the hub.
>> > > > > > >> -CP
>>
>> > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > >> From: Mark <m...@iinet.net.au>
>> > > > > > >> To: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
>> > > > > > >> Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:09 pm
>> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Home For The Hub
>>
>> > > > > > >> I agree with Paul Garfunkel, realafrica and ted_B.
>>
>> > > > > > >> For the short term a small donation by those of us
>> > > > > > >> willing to do so should be considered.
>> > > > > > >> This would enable us to keep the hub on it's current
>> > > > > > >> server for a month or two until a long term solution is
> found.
>>
>> > > > > > >> Quite frankly, in my short time here The Hub has become
>> > > > > > >> the single most important thing in my online life.
>>
>> > > > > > >> I also like the idea of a members only ftp server for
>> > > > > > >> those who cannot 'hub'.
>>
>> > > > > > >> beet.
>>
>> > > > > > >> On 5/07/2010 2:24 AM, Paul Garfunkel wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > I see no problem in a subscription based hub. Most of
>> > > > > > >> > us have been paying for rapidshare and that has not
>> > > > > > >> > worked out so well and this way we would have no outside
> interference.
>>
>> > > > > > >> > We could get better service and speed.
>>
>> > > > > > >> > On 7/4/10, Lokkerman<phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >> Thanks Grill
>> > > > > > >> >> I will note your comments
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > >> >> From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com
>> > > > > > >> >> [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
>> > > > > > >> >> On Behalf Of grill
>> > > > > > >> >> Sent: 04 July 2010 14:02
>> > > > > > >> >> To: SurroundSound
>> > > > > > >> >> Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Home For The Hub
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> Lokks, as I posted before I'm not able to host the
>> > > > > > >> >> Hub. In addition, I'm not competent in Apex stuffs at all.
>> > > > > > >> >> Nevertheless, if necessary I'd temporarily spend a
>> > > > > > >> >> small amount of money to help keep the Hub running,
>> > > > > > >> >> However, imo all of us would most appreciate a free
>> > > > > > >> >> (or an almost free) solution.
>> > > > > > >> >> Anyway, one
>> > > > > > >> >> or some of us should step up and take care of everything.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> On júl. 4, 12:23, "Lokkerman"<phil.steep...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >>> Guys
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> That was a sad day yesterday and all I can say is
>> > > > > > >> >>> good luck
>> > > Glen.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> Obviously I know Glen quite well and I do know that
>> > > > > > >> >>> what he is about to do is his vocation. Glen has a
>> > > > > > >> >>> unique opportunity and the talent and so seriously
>> > > > > > >> >>> must pursue this
>> > > course. So Wish You Well Glen...
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> Unfortunately because we have not done any succession
>> > > > > > >> >>> planning we have only got a couple of days to put
>> > > > > > >> >>> something in
>> > > place for the hub.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> I would like everyone to contribute what they would
>> > > > > > >> >>> believe to be the best on this one. Then I will try
>> > > > > > >> >>> and reach some kind of consensus view. I am quite a
>> > > > > > >> >>> novice on hosting Apex so I don't really know what
>> > > > > > >> >>> the requirements are, so first of all can someone
>> > > > > > >> >>> point me in the
>> > > > > > >> >> direction please?
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> What I do have in mind on a practical level is that
>> > > > > > >> >>> we need to really think about having a couple of
>> > > > > > >> >>> assistant ops, in case of the many scenarios that can and
> may occur.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> I am also going to have discussions about how we
>> > > > > > >> >>> manage OD's contribution, maybe a members only ftp
>> > > > > > >> >>> server could be the answer as it is impractical for
>> > > > > > >> >>> everyone to be a hub
>> > > member.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> Please let this thread be as open minded as possible
>> > > > > > >> >>> because now may be the time to put things in place
>> > > > > > >> >>> that could be beneficial to all of us.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> Cheers
>> > > > > > >> >>> Lokks
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> --
>> > > > > > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed
>> > > > > > >> >>to the Google Groups "SurroundSound" group.
>> > > > > > >> >> To post to this group, send email to
>> > > > > > >> >>SurroundSound@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from
>> > > > > > >> >>this group, send email to
>> > > > > > >> >>SurroundSound-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
>> > > > > > >> >> For more options, visit this group at
>> > > > > > >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/SurroundSound
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> --
>> > > > > > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed
>> > > > > > >> >>to the Google Groups "SurroundSound" group.
>> > > > > > >> >> To
>>
>> ...
>>
>> read more »
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "SurroundSound" group.
> To post to this group, send email to SurroundSound@googlegroups.com To
> unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> SurroundSound-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
> For more options, visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/SurroundSound
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SurroundSound" group.
> To post to this group, send email to SurroundSound@googlegroups.com
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to SurroundSound-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/SurroundSound
>
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SurroundSound" group.
To post to this group, send email to SurroundSound@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to SurroundSound-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/SurroundSound
No comments:
Post a Comment