I guess surround sound is very subjective. I'm sitting at my computer which is in the corner of my lounge, directly underneath the rear left speaker. Not the best place to listen to surround sound I admit, but usually imaging and placement of instruments within the 360 degree soundfield is excellent, even while sitting here. Listening to various tracks from your upmix the sound balance between the speakers was all wrong. For example I couldn't hear any sounds coming from the front right quadrant (even if I turn to face the front right speaker, I can't hear it at all). and the rear left was overpowering.
That said, our setups are unique to each of us. What sounds great on one persons system may not sound very good on someone else's. My system is set up using various test discs and tracks which were probably recorded using systems calibrated to AES, EBU, ITA etc standards for multichannel recording and mixing, Unless you have a large room and are quite rich, I very much doubt your system and room would be set up and calibrated according to those recording standards (recording and playback systems have different standards) That's not your fault. I'm sure that if I calibrated my system to match yours, your upmixes would sound good!
The vast majority of officially released multichannel music sounds great on my system, including the on the fly upmixing that my Meridian processor performs on 2 channel (stereo) music.
I played your tracks without adjusting balance or gain bewtween channels as I guess you would not have meant us to do so. Sitting in my proper listening position I find your mix far too wide with a 'hole' centre front to centre rear. Also there's far too much rear gain. Comparing it directly to the on the fly upmixing of my Meridian Processor using the ordinary CD as the source, yours sounds unnatural, contrived even (no offense meant!). With mine the image is definitely anchored to the front with an enveloping reverberant soundstage progressing round the sides from front to the rear, creating a complete 360 degree image. It's as if the music is hugging me. I close my eyes and the speakers disappear and I'm swimming in the music. With yours, even with my eyes closed, I can hear the music coming from the speakers, and only the speakers.
It doesn't help that at the moment I can only play discrete surround with difficulty D > Analogue Jerry rigged spaghetti > D as I don't have a multichannel digital output from my computer.
Come Christmas, hopefully I'll be able to make discrete multichannel DDD recordings of what my system outputs at line level post processing/upmixing so you can hear what my system does. But whether you'll like it or not, I don't know.
I somehow think that if I heard your upmix on your system I'd like it a lot more than on mine!
Ali.
-- That said, our setups are unique to each of us. What sounds great on one persons system may not sound very good on someone else's. My system is set up using various test discs and tracks which were probably recorded using systems calibrated to AES, EBU, ITA etc standards for multichannel recording and mixing, Unless you have a large room and are quite rich, I very much doubt your system and room would be set up and calibrated according to those recording standards (recording and playback systems have different standards) That's not your fault. I'm sure that if I calibrated my system to match yours, your upmixes would sound good!
The vast majority of officially released multichannel music sounds great on my system, including the on the fly upmixing that my Meridian processor performs on 2 channel (stereo) music.
I played your tracks without adjusting balance or gain bewtween channels as I guess you would not have meant us to do so. Sitting in my proper listening position I find your mix far too wide with a 'hole' centre front to centre rear. Also there's far too much rear gain. Comparing it directly to the on the fly upmixing of my Meridian Processor using the ordinary CD as the source, yours sounds unnatural, contrived even (no offense meant!). With mine the image is definitely anchored to the front with an enveloping reverberant soundstage progressing round the sides from front to the rear, creating a complete 360 degree image. It's as if the music is hugging me. I close my eyes and the speakers disappear and I'm swimming in the music. With yours, even with my eyes closed, I can hear the music coming from the speakers, and only the speakers.
It doesn't help that at the moment I can only play discrete surround with difficulty D > Analogue Jerry rigged spaghetti > D as I don't have a multichannel digital output from my computer.
Come Christmas, hopefully I'll be able to make discrete multichannel DDD recordings of what my system outputs at line level post processing/upmixing so you can hear what my system does. But whether you'll like it or not, I don't know.
I somehow think that if I heard your upmix on your system I'd like it a lot more than on mine!
Ali.
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