for each track from the ISO. The reason I did this instead of just playing
from the ISO is because I can tag the individual DSF files with useful
information, like artist, album, genre, style, etc., and I can imbed album
art. I can also have JRMC analyze the song and calculate the intensity,
beats-per-minute, peak level and replay gain. My whole collection, which
includes FLAC, lossless WMAs, MP3s and now DSF files are tagged and
organized with lots of metadata. This metadata is either info downloaded
from music databases like freedb or AMG, is info I've entered manually, or
is information generated by JRMC like the calculated song data I just
mentioned, the date/time the music was added to my library, when the song
was last played and how many times the song has played, etc. This allows me
to create all sorts of playlists automatically based on my mood. A lot of
times, I just like to sit and listen to the whole album. That's why I really
like the surround recordings. I can sit and relax and feel immersed in
music. However, other times I'm busy doing other things, so I just want the
music in the background. Instead of listening to the radio, I can have JRMC
create a playlist based on any number of criteria. For example, I may be in
the mood to listen to a combination of prog-rock and jazz fusion that's
mellow (BPM < 100 and Intensity < 2), and limit it to music I haven't
listened to for 6 weeks. I can't do that with ISOs. With individual tracks,
I can listen to the whole album or just a single song from the album.
I also don't like dealing with discs. I rip the disc to my media server and
then it's stored away for safe keeping. If I really wanted to insert a disc
every time I listen to something, I'd probably go back to my turntable and
vinyl albums. At least the album art and liner notes were nice and big. BTW,
I don't own a universal player like an OPPO. I have a network with several
PCs. One is a pretty powerful system in my home office that is used for work
and things like ripping audio/video and photo and video editing. I have a
couple other PCs dedicated for home entertainment. One is primarily used for
playing music. It is connected to an external multichannel DAC. The analog
outputs are paired to amps that provide power to speakers located in
different rooms in our home. So this is the system used for background
music. However the DACs are very good (but not DSD capable) when compared to
the DACs in most mid-priced A/V receivers or consumer PC soundcards. I have
another very silent PC in our family room connected to a fairly high-end
setup, which includes a nice 47" HD screen and multichannel audio system.
This is where I listen to surround recordings. These entertainment PCs are
quieter then the ambient sound in my house (and I don't have a forced air
HVAC system - it's hot water radiators), so they work very well for music,
etc.
To answer your other questions... I don't know if JRMC can play the SACD-R
ISO, I haven't tried. JRMC can play the DSF files (as can foobar2000). The
reason I went with DSF files is because they can be tagged and I read
somewhere that this was the main advantage over DFF, which is the format
more common for when the DSD is edited in production. I believe JRMC and
foobar are converting my DSF DSD files to PCM on -the-fly, so I could
probably just convert and store them as FLACs and they would probably sound
the same. However, since they sound great as DSF files and they are
tag-able, I think it makes sense to leave them as DSF in case I get a DSD
capable DAC in the future.
-----Original Message-----
From: surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:surroundsound@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of realafrica
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:01 PM
To: SurroundSound
Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Convert SACD ISO to individual DSD tracks?
Noreltny
I really don't understand why you want to make dff or DSF or DSDiFF files
from the iso to just play in foobar or JRMC.
I don't know about the latter, but as foobar plays the iso fine and will
load all the tracks into the player then why convert the iso, to whatever,
at all?
Just use the iso!
I imagine you want to get JRMC to play these files, but it will not play
SACD-R iso?
Does JRMC play DFFs or any kind of DSD file?
If yes, then this is only useful to you IF you have a DSD capable DAC either
in your receiver or as an External DAC.
Without a DSD capable DAC you are wasting your time with DFFs, you might
just as well convert the iso to flac and play those via JRMC.
On Apr 22, 2:53 am, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes no such thing as .dsd. the dff and dsf are on the iso proper so
> yes the software would have to read both by nature although individual
> playback of dff or dsf on standalone sacd players is elusive. Yes you
> are correct it is just extracting info from the iso to tag ect. It
> also allows for direct dsd playback with proper equipment which
> 99.999999 percent of us do not have.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Noreltny-gmail <norel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > I don't know what I was doing wrong before, but I am able to import
> > and play the DSF (both stereo and multichannel) with FRMC17 and
> > foobar2000. My mistake earlier, was that I thought I needed to
> > convert the DSF or DFF files to DSD. There is no such thing as a file
with a DSD extension.
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but what the utility is really doing is
> > converting the tracks from the ISO into DSD files and letting me
> > chose either DFF or DSF. With the DSF being more appealing because
> > of tagging, etc.****
>
> > ** **
>
> > Again, thanks for your help.****
>
> > ** **
>
> > *From:* surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > surroundsound@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *August Bleed
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 21, 2012 5:18 PM
>
> > *To:* surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] Convert SACD ISO to individual DSD
> > tracks?*
> > ***
>
> > ** **
>
> > DFF files are also DSD. One is a compression scheme so they could
> > fit 5.1 material, stereo DSD, and CD layer on the same disc. The
> > other is uncompressed DSD. They use this for SHM-SACDs that are
> > stereo and for the stereo layer generally. The MC one I believe has
> > better tagging and support. You sound like you are generating the
> > right files. It does give you a choice. Again it's really a matter
> > of your hardware after you get the files.****
>
> > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM, August Bleed <bleed...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:*
> > ***
>
> > dsf files are DSD. If you have a capable USB dac it will play natively.
> > Otherwise if you play it from software it will convert to PCM no
> > MATTER WHAT. You must burn the iso to a disc if you dont have a usb
> > dac that is dsd capable (there are a grand total of 2). But you got
> > what you were supposed to get. DSF files are DSD files. If you
> > can't play them you don't have a usb capable DAC. That's all.
> > These are absolutely DSD files you are creating.****
>
> > ** **
>
> > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Noreltny-gmail <norel...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:****
>
> > Thanks for the info.****
>
> > ****
>
> > I've almost got it figured out, but not quite. I'm having trouble
> > converting the DSF files to DSD and I'd post a comment on their
> > website, but it won't currently let me post comments or replies. So,
> > I'll ask here in case someone in this group has experience with
> > this.****
>
> > ****
>
> > Here's the link to the thread that August is referring to:****
>
> >http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/SACD-ripping-using-your-PS3...
> > ****
>
> > ****
>
> > Here's a link to the project page, which includes links to download
> > the
> > utilities:****
>
> > Project home:http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/****
>
> > Download
> > page:http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/downloads/list****
>
> > ****
>
> > I downloaded the file 'sacd_extract_0.3.6_WIN32.zip' and extracted
> > it into a folder that I named "sacdrip'. I copied my SACD ISO file
> > into this directory so it would be easier to work with from a
> > command line prompt.**
> > **
>
> > ****
>
> > I couldn't find his PDF guide anywhere. If you have a link, I'd
> > really appreciate getting a copy. He does have a link to the
> > instructions, which are
> > here:http://sacd-ripper.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/readme.****
>
> > ****
>
> > I'd use the BAT files, but they don't appear to be of any help in my
> > situation. I followed the instructions in the readme and just tried
> > extracting/converting from the command line. Here's the steps I
> > followed:*
> > ***
>
> > ****
>
> > 1: From the start menu, I typed "CMD" into the command box (or
> > whatever it's called). This brings up the command window.****
>
> > 2. From the prompt in the command, I navigated to the "sacdrip"
> > directory where I extracted the file 'sacd_extract.exe'.****
>
> > 3. The instructions include a list of command options and a few
examples.
> > I tried following the examples. First, here's the list of available
options:
> > ****
>
> > ****
>
> > Usage: sacd_extract [options] [outfile]****
>
> > -2, --2ch-tracks : Export two channel tracks
> > (default)***
> > *
>
> > -m, --mch-tracks : Export multi-channel tracks****
>
> > -e, --output-dsdiff-em : output as Philips DSDIFF (Edit
> > Master)
> > file****
>
> > -p, --output-dsdiff : output as Philips DSDIFF
> > file****
>
> > -s, --output-dsf : output as Sony DSF file****
>
> > -I, --output-iso : output as RAW ISO****
>
> > -c, --convert-dst : convert DST to DSD****
>
> > -C, --export-cue : Export a CUE Sheet****
>
> > -i, --input[=FILE] : set source and determine if "iso"
> > image,****
>
> > device or server (ex.
> > -i192.168.1.10:2002)****
>
> > -P, --print : display disc and track
> > information****
>
> > ****
>
> > Help options:****
>
> > -?, --help : Show this help message****
>
> > --usage : Display brief usage message****
>
> > ****
>
> > Here's the usage example I tried:****
>
> > ****
>
> > Extract all stereo tracks to multiple DSDIFF files and convert all
> > DST to DSD:****
>
> > ****
>
> > $ sacd_extract -2 -p -c -i"Foo_Bar_RIP.ISO"****
>
> > ****
>
> > So, after the command prompt, I typed: ****
>
> > ****
>
> > sacd_extract -2 –p –c –i"TAPESTRY.iso"****
>
> > ****
>
> > I ended up with a folder named "CAROLE KING – TAPESTRY" and 14
> > individual files for each track. However, none of the files were
> > converted to DSD files. All have the extension DFF.****
>
> > ****
>
> > I read through the thread on Computer Audiophile and learned that if
> > you are extracting individual files for playback, it is better to
> > extract to DSF before converting to DSD. So, I tried this at the
> > command line - ****
>
> > ****
>
> > sacd_extract -2 –s –c –I"TAPESTRY.iso"****
>
> > ****
>
> > This time, it created the same folder and generated a bunch of DSF
> > files, again without converting the DSF files to DSD.****
>
> > ****
>
> > I also tried using their usage examples to create multichannel DSD
files.
> > Again, I was successful at extracting the individual tracks into
> > files, but I couldn't end up with the DSD files. The conversion step
> > is just getting ignored. I'm not getting any error messages, so the
> > program seems to be working. ****
>
> > ****
>
> > Any ideas???****
>
> > ****
>
> > Thanks****
>
> > ****
>
> > ****
>
> > *From:* surroundsound@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > surroundsound@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *August Bleed
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:25 PM
> > *To:* surroundsound@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] Convert SACD ISO to individual DSD
> > tracks?*
> > ***
>
> > ****
>
> > Yes you should head over to computeraudiophile.com and check out
> > their thread ps3 SACD ripping part 2. Ted B is the guru of the
> > forum and one of the folks who was pioneering the work in this area
> > (not the only one of course). It's a long thread but essentially
> > there is a small program that runs on windows (and OS X I believe)
> > as a .bat file and does just that. I suggest checking out the
> > thread and contacting that member. He has a PDF guide he did
> > himself and is happy to provide folks with the knowledge. He will
> > also point you to the tools if the forum doesn't already do that.
> > Its on sourceforge. Not difficult to find at all.****
>
> > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Noreltny-gmail <norel...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:****
>
> > I have a few SACD ISO that play in foobar2000 and I would like to
> > convert them to individual tracks, preferably DSD files. Both my
> > favorite players J.River Media Center v17 and foobar2000 can play
> > DSD files.****
>
> > ****
>
> > I usually use foobar to convert ISOs to individual tracks. With
> > DVD-A ISO, I use foobar's convert tool to losslessly convert the MLP to
FLAC.
> > However, last time I tried, I couldn't convert the DSD ISO to FLAC.
> > ****
>
> > ****
>
> > So, I was wondering, does anyone if there is a tool to convert the
> > DSD ISO to DSD files?****
>
> > ****
>
> > Does anyone know if it is now possible to convert the DSD ISO to FLAC?
> > Although, I'd prefer to keep these files as DSD, just in case
> > there's some future advantage in preserving this format.****
>
> > ****
>
> > Thanks in advance for your help.****
>
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>
> > ****
>
> > ****
>
> > --
> > August
> > Bleed, Inc.
> > Selling Art Is Tying Your Ego To a Leash And Walking It Like a
> > Dog****
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